[members-discuss] Regarding RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options to Vote On

Hello all,


I just checked Alexis's spreadsheet.

If I'm sorting it by IPv4 block numbers I'm the 5th biggest with 233 
blocks. (81408 IPs) !!!

With Option B I will pay at least 13000 euro.

The biggest LIR, de.telekom, will pay a little over 2700 euro for 
28.972.032 IP addresses.

I just don't understand the reasoning behind the "volume" here.

In earlier discussions from the last 2 years here on members-discuss, 
the RIPE representatives kept telling us that the annual fee is a member 
fee and not a price for the resources used.

Now, I see a 180 degrees shift in their reasoning.

They are telling us that this Option B is the more fairest because it 
takes into account the number of allocations because this is somehow 
representing the resources used by a LIR. But why not take into account 
all types of objects from the database?

Contact persons, route objects, domains, roles, organizations and many 
more ...


Regards,

Alex

P.S. I'm so angry at RIPE right now!



On 18.04.2019 11:37, Alexis Hanicotte wrote:
> I agree, this vote does not make sense to me.
> It seems to me that the board does not want a volume-based pricing, 
> and so suggests an option that few will vote for. Then they can say 
> "you see, people do not want volume-based pricing"...
>
>
> An issue with most suggested "Option C" schemes is that final income 
> will be too high.
> Here is a spreadsheet to help do the math and see the impact on each LIR.
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oVAQ7ADW3UY17GPUgJl2T8AhMwHaDiuCb8a9fY6bark/edit?usp=sharing
> (feel free to make a copy and do you own math)
>
> For instance, if we estimate RIPE needed budget to 32M€,
> and decide to charge half via flat fee, half via number of IPs,
> that gives  740€ + 2.7cents / IPv4 address or IPv6/32 prefix.
> (see tab n°2 of spreadsheet)
>
>
>
>
> Alexis Hanicotte
> VelumWare SAS
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:23 AM Michal Prokeš <michal.prokes at hdata.cz 
> <mailto:michal.prokes at hdata.cz>> wrote:
>
>     Dear colleagues,
>
>     there are many users discussing about per ipv4 payments for a long
>     time. I does not have to be most wanted option, but I believe, it
>     is most discussed option last years.
>
>     So if we decide to make voting about charging scheme, it should
>     include the most discussed option. We will see if it win or not.
>     Voting without this option is misleading. Organizations with huge
>     allocations love actual schema (optiona A) and small organizations
>     with symbolic alocation of /22 are definitely not going to vote
>     for option B (very simplified it means: the less you have to buy
>     on expensive ipv4 market the less you have to pay RIPE annualy).
>
>     Please
>
>     * Add option C (per-ipv4 fee) to choices
>
>     or
>
>     * Cancel this voting.
>
>
>     Results of voting with announced options will be very misleading.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     M. Prokeš
>
>>
>>     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>     From: Gwen van Berne <gvanberne at ripe.net> <mailto:gvanberne at ripe.net>
>>     Date: Apr 17, 2019 18:08
>>     Subject: [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two
>>     Options to Vote On
>>     To: ncc-announce at ripe.net <mailto:ncc-announce at ripe.net>
>>     Cc:
>>
>>         Dear colleagues,
>>
>>         Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 at the
>>         General
>>         Meeting from 22-24 May. In response to requests from members,
>>         the
>>         Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme options that
>>         the
>>         members can choose from at the GM.
>>
>>         An overview of the two options is also available that
>>         explains the two
>>         models in more detail. The overview and the two charging
>>         schemes are
>>         available at:
>>         https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents
>>
>>
>>         In short, the options that members will choose between are:
>>
>>         Option A: The RIPE NCC will maintain the existing charging
>>         scheme,
>>         according to which members pay an annual fee of EUR 1,400
>>         plus an extra
>>         EUR 50 per independent number resource assignment.
>>
>>         Option B: The RIPE NCC will switch to a new volume-based, per
>>         registration charging scheme. This would involve lowering the
>>         annual fee
>>         to EUR 1,150  whilst broadening the applicability of the
>>         separate EUR 50
>>         charge to all number registrations held by the member. See
>>         the full list
>>         of registrations that would be charged in the document.
>>
>>         The existing sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 will apply to both
>>         options.
>>
>>         We encourage members to discuss the options on the Member
>>         Discuss
>>         mailing list at <members-discuss at ripe.net>
>>         <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>. The Executive Board and the
>>         RIPE NCC Management will follow discussions closely ahead of
>>         the GM.
>>
>>         If you have not yet registered for the GM, we strongly
>>         encourage you to
>>         do so and make sure you have your say on which of two
>>         distinct charging
>>         scheme options should be adopted in May. Full participation
>>         and voting
>>         options are available for all members. You can register now
>>         via the LIR
>>         Portal at:
>>         https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019
>>
>>         All details on the GM, including the draft agenda, are
>>         available from:
>>         https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/
>>
>>         Kind regards,
>>
>>         Gwen van Berne
>>         Chief Financial Officer
>>         RIPE NCC
>>
>>
>>
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