[members-discuss] Regarding RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options to Vote On

Hi.

Charging for *any* resource, especially ASNs, is just plain stupid. It's
not like it costs anything to take care of the resources.

Personally I'm in favour of option A, perhaps lower it by 100-200€/yr for
first 1-2 years for startups and such.

Regards,
Sebastian

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 7:55 PM Nico Schottelius <info at ungleich.ch> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I think the point that is most "wrong" in this charging scheme is that
> IPv6 resources are treated the same as IPv4. This is a) not in relation
> to scarcity and b) does not give any motivation for IPv6 deployements.
>
> I suggest that either any IPv6 resource is for free or that "up to" some
> amount of IPv6 resources it stays free and even after that the increase
> should be lower than IPv4.
>
> That said, I agree with Alex that if the objective is to support smaller
> ISPs, it should be charged on volume, not number.
>
> My counter proposal to B would be
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> - Same base fee as option B
> - All IPv6 resources are free
> - Charge x per 256 IPv4 addresses
> - Charge y per ASN, after the 5th ASN
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The key x would have to be determined by RIPE and could be derived from
> the current allocations such that the new membership fee sum = the
> current sum.
>
> For the key y I don't have a good estimate at the moment, but 50 Euro/y
> does not sound unreasonable. Also most LIRs will never exceed the
> included number of ASNs.
>
> Best,
>
> Nico
>
>
> Alexandru Doszlop <alexandru.doszlop at netprotect.ro> writes:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just read the email regarding the charging scheme for 2020 option B.
> > Are you kidding me?
> > Are you really naming it "volume based billing"?
> >
> > Let's say one isp has only one /12 ipv4 PA. It will pay 1150 euro + 50
> euro.
> > The other LIR that wants to help small companies and has 50 /24
> assignments, will pay 1150 + 50*50=3650 euro.
> > All new lirs that receive smaller than /22 assignments will pay more
> than than the big isp.
> > Where is the volume here?
> >
> > Unbelievable...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alex
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Gwen van Berne <gvanberne at ripe.net>
> > Date: Apr 17, 2019 18:08
> > Subject: [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options
> to Vote On
> > To: ncc-announce at ripe.net
> > Cc:
> >
> >  Dear colleagues,
> >
> >  Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 at the General
> >  Meeting from 22-24 May. In response to requests from members, the
> >  Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme options that the
> >  members can choose from at the GM.
> >
> >  An overview of the two options is also available that explains the two
> >  models in more detail. The overview and the two charging schemes are
> >  available at:
> >
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents
> >
> >  In short, the options that members will choose between are:
> >
> >  Option A: The RIPE NCC will maintain the existing charging scheme,
> >  according to which members pay an annual fee of EUR 1,400 plus an extra
> >  EUR 50 per independent number resource assignment.
> >
> >  Option B: The RIPE NCC will switch to a new volume-based, per
> >  registration charging scheme. This would involve lowering the annual fee
> >  to EUR 1,150  whilst broadening the applicability of the separate EUR 50
> >  charge to all number registrations held by the member. See the full list
> >  of registrations that would be charged in the document.
> >
> >  The existing sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 will apply to both options.
> >
> >  We encourage members to discuss the options on the Member Discuss
> >  mailing list at <members-discuss at ripe.net>. The Executive Board and the
> >  RIPE NCC Management will follow discussions closely ahead of the GM.
> >
> >  If you have not yet registered for the GM, we strongly encourage you to
> >  do so and make sure you have your say on which of two distinct charging
> >  scheme options should be adopted in May. Full participation and voting
> >  options are available for all members. You can register now via the LIR
> >  Portal at:
> >  https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019
> >
> >  All details on the GM, including the draft agenda, are available from:
> >  https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/
> >
> >  Kind regards,
> >
> >  Gwen van Berne
> >  Chief Financial Officer
> >  RIPE NCC
>
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