[members-discuss] Regarding RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options to Vote On

Hi,

Can anyone tell me what is the scope to change the charging scheme?

DISTRIBUTION

From my small experience i understand that the MAIN problem is the IPs distribution.


The are company that have a lot of unused IPs 
And company that don’t have enought IPs


CRAZY BUSINESS of PUBLIC RESOURCE

The company with more IPs that they really use, PULL these IPs to the market and make money and business with this PUBLIC resource. It is incredible!

We see a lot of incredible things in Italy...we are so famous for Mafia, Cosa Nostra....
but that a private company (like a provider) can sell PUBLIC resource it win on everything.


CHANGE RULE
Before to speak about charging scheme, the RIPE should change the assignment rule with the scope to get back not used IPs (or brokered ips).


An ISP or Cloud Provider should get income around $50-$100/year per IP


If my company have income around $500.000 and we have 10.000 IPs probably we are really using the IPs for REAL isp/cloud business
500.000 : 10.000=50 that is the minimum per IPs income per IP


If my company have income around $500.000 and we have 20.000 IPs....probably we are not internal using these IP and we are selling around 10.000 IPs to broker....

50.000:20.000 = 25

$25 income per IP is too low



For me is not a problem to pay for example 1000 euro/year to RIPE for each 1024 IP
I think that this not a problem for each company that make business with the “internet”.


My problem is that, if i need IPs...i need to go in the “underground” market and pay unknow/untrusted company/broker.

RIPE should find a way to regulate this issue


Regards
Roberto



>> Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 at the General 
>> Meeting from 22-24 May. In response to requests from members, the 
>> Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme options that the 
>> members can choose from at the GM. 
>> 

Saluti
Roberto 


>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Gwen van Berne <gvanberne at ripe.net>
>> Date: Apr 17, 2019 18:08
>> Subject: [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options to Vote On
>> To: ncc-announce at ripe.net
>> Cc: 
>> 
>> Dear colleagues, 
>> 
>> Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 at the General 
>> Meeting from 22-24 May. In response to requests from members, the 
>> Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme options that the 
>> members can choose from at the GM. 
>> 
>> An overview of the two options is also available that explains the two 
>> models in more detail. The overview and the two charging schemes are 
>> available at: 
>> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents 
>> 
>> In short, the options that members will choose between are: 
>> 
>> Option A: The RIPE NCC will maintain the existing charging scheme, 
>> according to which members pay an annual fee of EUR 1,400 plus an extra 
>> EUR 50 per independent number resource assignment. 
>> 
>> Option B: The RIPE NCC will switch to a new volume-based, per 
>> registration charging scheme. This would involve lowering the annual fee 
>> to EUR 1,150  whilst broadening the applicability of the separate EUR 50 
>> charge to all number registrations held by the member. See the full list 
>> of registrations that would be charged in the document. 
>> 
>> The existing sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 will apply to both options. 
>> 
>> We encourage members to discuss the options on the Member Discuss 
>> mailing list at <members-discuss at ripe.net>. The Executive Board and the 
>> RIPE NCC Management will follow discussions closely ahead of the GM. 
>> 
>> If you have not yet registered for the GM, we strongly encourage you to 
>> do so and make sure you have your say on which of two distinct charging 
>> scheme options should be adopted in May. Full participation and voting 
>> options are available for all members. You can register now via the LIR 
>> Portal at: 
>> https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019 
>> 
>> All details on the GM, including the draft agenda, are available from: 
>> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/ 
>> 
>> Kind regards, 
>> 
>> Gwen van Berne 
>> Chief Financial Officer 
>> RIPE NCC 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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