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[members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security
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Daniel Pearson
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Mon May 14 15:07:32 CEST 2018
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On 05/14/2018 07:41 AM, Ion Rebeja wrote: > Folks, please remove my email from this list! > Thanks! > > On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:38 Office MEGs <office at megsolutions.com > <mailto:office at megsolutions.com>> wrote: > > Me too please. > > Thank you! > > *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of > *Gjurovski Vladimir > *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 2:05 PM > *To:* 'John Jeffery' <johnjeffery at e-wire.co.uk > <mailto:johnjeffery at e-wire.co.uk>>; David Benwell > <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk > <mailto:dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk>>; William > <william at william.si <mailto:william at william.si>>; Bunea TELECOM > <suport at bunea.eu <mailto:suport at bunea.eu>> > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > Me also please > > Владимир Ѓуровски > > Оддел за ИТ и ТК технологии > > ЕВН Електродистрибуција ДООЕЛ > > ул. „11 Октомври“ бр. 9, 1000 Скопје > > T: +389 2 3205 300 – 44232 > > M: +389 72 934 232 > > vladimir.gjurovski at evn.mk <mailto:vladimir.gjurovski at evn.mk> > > www.evn.mk <http://www.evn.mk> > > *Користете ја енергијата разумно: помислете на животната средина > пред да ја испечатите оваа електронска порака.* > > Vladimir Gjurovski > > IT and TK technology Department > > EVN Elektrodistribucija DOOEL > > ul. „11 Oktomvri“ no. 9, 1000 Skopje > > T: +389 2 3205 300 – 44232 > > M: +389 72 934 232 > > vladimir.gjurovski at evn.mk <mailto:vladimir.gjurovski at evn.mk> > > www.evn.mk <http://www.evn.mk> > > *Use energy wisely: Please consider the environment before you > print this email.* > > *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] > *On Behalf Of *John Jeffery > *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 1:46 PM > *To:* David Benwell; William; Bunea TELECOM > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > guys can you take me off this email chain? > > thanks v much > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of David > Benwell <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk > <mailto:dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk>> > *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 12:44:26 PM > *To:* William; Bunea TELECOM > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > William, Would you happen to be such holder of address apace? > > *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] > *On Behalf Of *William > *Sent:* 14 May 2018 11:47 > *To:* Bunea TELECOM <suport at bunea.eu <mailto:suport at bunea.eu>> > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > These are legacy. They are not RIR business. > > No RIR can reclaim them (and reclaim is plainly wrong, they never > owned them, this is pre-RIR space), they are private property. > > Taking them is theft and nothing else, no matter how you phrase it. > > -- > > William Weber > > Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia > > https://ip6.im <https://ip6.im/> - No RIPE LIR? Still read this > email for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. > Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to have. > > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:27, Bunea TELECOM <suport at bunea.eu > <mailto:suport at bunea.eu>> wrote: > > I agree, > > There are tens of /8’s available, some of them even > unannounced. For example there are lots of entities which if > they would gave up (even partially) of their unused blocks, it > would push the IPv4 complete exaustion to 2020+. > > Thanks, > > Petru > > — > > > > > > > *Petru Bunea* / CEO > suport at bunea.eu <mailto:suport at bunea.eu> / +40752481282 > <tel:+40752481282> > > *Bunea TELECOM* / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT > http://www.bunea.eu <http://www.bunea.eu/> / +40745495495 > <tel:+40745495495> > > On 14 May 2018, at 11:20, Janarthanan Sundaram > <j.sundaram at 123telcom.nl <mailto:j.sundaram at 123telcom.nl>> > wrote: > > I think we should prioritize on on point two: what to do > with unused blocks. > > *Van:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> *Namens *Bruno > Carvalho > *Verzonden:* maandag 14 mei 2018 10:11 > *Aan:* members-discuss at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer > (in)security > > This discussion is quite interesting. But i think it > should be discussed between all RiRs. Not only for RIPE. > When we look at big companies, like Microsoft, and do a > simple scan of their assigned IP ranges... we found some > /14 and several /16 unassigned/unused ranges. > > > Personnally, i think we should focus on 2 main things: > > > - Improve IPv6 implementation all over the territory (i > know this is painfull for many LIRs because it implies > additional work and purchase of new equipments. But let's > face it. We are in 2018. If an equipment doesn't support > IPv6, it's very obsolete and not performant). > > > - Check with the other RiRs what would be the best to do > with those big unused ranges that are owned by companies > that don't use them. > > > Regards > > --- > > XRV > > > > Bruno Carvalho (CEO xrv.pt <http://xrv.pt>) | +351 300 404 316 > P Please consider the environment before printing this email > > > > Visit our website <https://www.xrv.pt/> > Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/xervers/>Twitter > <https://twitter.com/xervers> > > > > > On 2018-05-14 09:51, Hans Govenius wrote: > > Hello > > Not needed IP = The addressese company is ready to > sell for a small profit 😊 ? This is probably good > indication that its not used anymore. One option is to > automatically block all and any IP transaction which > does not involve transaction of the whole > company/business. It is a question that can IP be a > commodity. Now its a commodity that is getting more > rare by the year. Maybe IP should be considered an > jointly owned part of infrastructure which is deployed > by need basis. (Socialistic way) > > Other option is to start to take money per IP. This > would instantly mean that everyone would look up to > own ip spaces. Let say it would cost 1 euro / year for > a IP it would only be approx 1000 euros for the > smallest allocation. Someone with 10 million IP > addressese are likely to happily pay for it fi they > are in use, but if they are not i would think they > would be handed back. (Capitalistic way) > > One option is also to go with the current system > because internet is working so its not horribly wrong > at the moment either. > > One interesting this is tho that old LIR:s are likely > to wanting to keep these things unchanged. New LIR:s > are more likely to want changes as this is heavily > favoring old LIR:s. And every year a proportionally > larger part will be the ones with few IP:s and same > vote than the one with alot of IP:s and also only 1 vote. > > Br. Hans > > > > > -----Alkuperäinen viesti----- > Lähettäjä: members-discuss > <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> Puolesta > REG ID: pl.skonet > Lähetetty: maanantai 14. toukokuuta 2018 10.34 > Vastaanottaja: pdonner at znak.fi > <mailto:pdonner at znak.fi>; members-discuss at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > W dniu 14.05.2018 o 09:25, Philip Donner pisze: > > > I would like to amplify Dave's good proposal, by > suggesting that unused addresses should be handed > back to RIPE, so that they can be added to a pool > of addresses reserved for LIRs who needs them for > non-profit promotion of IP networks. > > > Ok, but there is never ending story to resolve: how to > define 'unused addresses'. Because not announced in > BGP definitely != not used. > > -- > > Tomasz Śląski > pl.skonet > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hans.govenius%40devnet.fi > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bruno.carvalho%40xrv.pt > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu > > Напомена: Оваа порака и сите прилози што ги содржи се доверливи, > заштитени и наменети само за испраќачот. 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