[members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security

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On 05/14/2018 07:19 AM, Office MEGs wrote:
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> Me too please.
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> Thank you!
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> *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On 
> Behalf Of *Gjurovski Vladimir
> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 2:05 PM
> *To:* 'John Jeffery' <johnjeffery at e-wire.co.uk>; David Benwell 
> <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk>; William <william at william.si>; Bunea 
> TELECOM <suport at bunea.eu>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security
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> Me also please
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> Владимир Ѓуровски
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> *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On 
> Behalf Of *John Jeffery
> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 1:46 PM
> *To:* David Benwell; William; Bunea TELECOM
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> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security
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> guys can you take me off this email chain?
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> thanks v much
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> *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net 
> <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of David Benwell 
> <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk <mailto:dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk>>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 12:44:26 PM
> *To:* William; Bunea TELECOM
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security
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> William, Would you happen to be such holder of address apace?
>
> *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On 
> Behalf Of *William
> *Sent:* 14 May 2018 11:47
> *To:* Bunea TELECOM <suport at bunea.eu <mailto:suport at bunea.eu>>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security
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> These are legacy. They are not RIR business.
>
> No RIR can reclaim them (and reclaim is plainly wrong, they never 
> owned them, this is pre-RIR space), they are private property.
>
> Taking them is theft and nothing else, no matter how you phrase it.
>
> --
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> William Weber
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> Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia
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> https://ip6.im <https://ip6.im/> - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email 
> for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just 
> get it anyway, can't hurt to have.
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> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:27, Bunea TELECOM <suport at bunea.eu 
> <mailto:suport at bunea.eu>> wrote:
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>     I agree,
>
>     There are tens of /8’s available, some of them even unannounced.
>     For example there are lots of entities which if they would gave up
>     (even partially) of their unused blocks, it would push the IPv4
>     complete exaustion to 2020+.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Petru
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>     —
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>     *Petru Bunea* / CEO
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>         On 14 May 2018, at 11:20, Janarthanan Sundaram
>         <j.sundaram at 123telcom.nl <mailto:j.sundaram at 123telcom.nl>> wrote:
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>         I think we should prioritize on on point two: what to do with
>         unused blocks.
>
>         *Van:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
>         <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> *Namens *Bruno Carvalho
>         *Verzonden:* maandag 14 mei 2018 10:11
>         *Aan:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
>         *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security
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>         This discussion is quite interesting. But i think it should be
>         discussed between all RiRs. Not only for RIPE.
>         When we look at big companies, like Microsoft, and do a simple
>         scan of their assigned IP ranges... we found some /14 and
>         several /16 unassigned/unused ranges.
>
>
>         Personnally, i think we should focus on 2 main things:
>
>
>         - Improve IPv6 implementation all over the territory (i know
>         this is painfull for many LIRs because it implies additional
>         work and purchase of new equipments. But let's face it. We are
>         in 2018. If an equipment doesn't support IPv6, it's very
>         obsolete and not performant).
>
>
>         - Check with the other RiRs what would be the best to do with
>         those big unused ranges that are owned by companies that don't
>         use them.
>
>
>         Regards
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>         ---
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>         On 2018-05-14 09:51, Hans Govenius wrote:
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>             Hello
>
>             Not needed IP = The addressese company is ready to sell
>             for a small profit 😊 ? This is probably good indication
>             that its not used anymore. One option is to automatically
>             block all and any IP transaction which does not involve
>             transaction of the whole company/business. It is a
>             question that can IP be a commodity. Now its a commodity
>             that is getting more rare by the year. Maybe IP should be
>             considered an jointly owned part of infrastructure which
>             is deployed by need basis. (Socialistic way)
>
>             Other option is to start to take money per IP. This would
>             instantly mean that everyone would look up to own ip
>             spaces. Let say it would cost 1 euro / year for a IP it
>             would only be approx 1000 euros for the smallest
>             allocation. Someone with 10 million IP addressese are
>             likely to happily pay for it fi they are in use, but if
>             they are not i would think they would be handed back.
>             (Capitalistic way)
>
>             One option is also to go with the current system because
>             internet is working so its not horribly wrong at the
>             moment either.
>
>             One interesting this is tho that old LIR:s are likely to
>             wanting to keep these things unchanged. New LIR:s are more
>             likely to want changes as this is heavily favoring old
>             LIR:s. And every year a proportionally larger part will be
>             the ones with few IP:s and same vote than the one with
>             alot of IP:s and also only 1 vote.
>
>             Br. Hans
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>             ID: pl.skonet
>             Lähetetty: maanantai 14. toukokuuta 2018 10.34
>             Vastaanottaja: pdonner at znak.fi <mailto:pdonner at znak.fi>;
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>             Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security
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>             W dniu 14.05.2018 o 09:25, Philip Donner pisze:
>
>
>                 I would like to amplify Dave's good proposal, by
>                 suggesting that unused addresses should be handed back
>                 to RIPE, so that they can be added to a pool of
>                 addresses reserved for LIRs who needs them for
>                 non-profit promotion of IP networks.
>
>
>             Ok, but there is never ending story to resolve: how to
>             define 'unused addresses'. Because not announced in BGP
>             definitely != not used.
>
>             -- 
>
>             Tomasz Śląski
>             pl.skonet
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