[members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security

Correct. 
Either you are LIR/convert it to PA (which is a bad idea as you give up certain rights in practice, even if all say it is not the case), then you pay via LIR fees or you hold it as (Nx) PI objects and pay 50€ ea per year which is plenty for RDNS and Route objects (not even DB as PI is only a single entry anyway).
If you do not do either, your entry is just a static single DB entry and this surely is not something you want to bill, or the absurdity levels rise to insanity here.
The waived setup fee is fair as there is no /22 provided either, so i see no reason to pay full - this was also an incentive to get legacy owners to sign up for RIPE.
--William WeberConsulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia https://ip6.im - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to have.
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 14:20, Dominik Nowacki  wrote: 
 > While I am not in favor of "disowning any property", I do think the legacy holders should at least be made to pay for the services they use, like everyone else.
 > Stop providing services to freeloaders.
 They do. I invite you to familiarise yourself with the current billing procedure,  https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/billing-procedure-and-fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-legacy-internet-resource-holders (https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/billing-procedure-and-fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-legacy-internet-resource-holders) 
 Kind Regards,
 Dominik Nowacki
 Clouvider (https://www.clouvider.co.uk/)
 UK Dedicated Servers (https://www.clouvider.co.uk/dedicated-servers/) | Connectivity (https://www.clouvider.co.uk/connectivity/)
  From: members-discuss  On Behalf Of Floris Bos
Sent: 14 May 2018 13:02
To: members-discuss at ripe.net (mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net)
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security
 On 05/14/2018 01:51 PM, William wrote:
 Legacy IPs are *not* in LIR accounts in most cases and mostly not RIPE.
 Yet, the RIRs do are providing services to them (like rDNS).

 While I am not in favor of "disowning any property", I do think the legacy holders should at least be made to pay for the services they use, like everyone else.
 Stop providing services to freeloaders.
 Yours sincerely,

 Floris Bos
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