[members-discuss] IP transfer (in)security

Hi Sergey,

Yes, I think so.

First, RIPE NCC work for it's members (I still hope so). Members needs
in safe IP transfers.

Second, only RIPE NCC staff decides either the transfer will be
successful or not. For any other parties (escrows) it is unpredictable,
and often not understandable at all. It can lead to mistakes, which can
costs RIPE NCC members a lot of money and some time even a business.

Third, YES, I want RIPE NCC to be responsible for money involved in
transfers. Now if somehow transfer is reverted - that's only a buyer
problem. Do you think it is really good? Now in case of any mistake
which in fact costs hundreds of thousands euros, RIPE NCC put their
hands in pockets and show the poker face. I do not think it is good and
fair.

Of course, I do not want RIPE NCC's escrow to be mandatory, but only a
(good) option. If you don't want to show RIPE NCC staff your financial
side of the deal - you are free to choose any other escrow, or do not
use any escrow at all.

09.05.18 15:22, Sergey Myasoedov пише:
> Hi Max,
> 
>> Buyer transfer money to escrow. Escrow either release money to seller,
>> or return it to buyer. That's all.
>> If you still afraid, RIPE NCC can establish a branch company to
>> isolate risks.
> 
> Do you really think this should be an RIR business?
> 
> 
> --
> Kind regards,
> Sergey Myasoedov
> 
>> On 9 May 2018, at 12:18, Max Tulyev <maxtul at netassist.ua
>> <mailto:maxtul at netassist.ua>> wrote:
>>
>> I think it is much less risky than arrange a RIPE meeting.
>>
>> Buyer transfer money to escrow. Escrow either release money to seller,
>> or return it to buyer. That's all.
>> If you still afraid, RIPE NCC can establish a branch company to
>> isolate risks.
>>
>> 09.05.18 15:06, Lu Heng пише:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Business has risks, I really don’t think RIPE should get involved
>>> into commercial side of transaction 
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:04 Max Tulyev <maxtul at netassist.ua
>>> <mailto:maxtul at netassist.ua>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi All,
>>>
>>>     let me point it again, Escrow service for IP transfers is the
>>>     most valuable service for LIRs we are waiting from RIPE NCC.
>>>
>>>     The only 100% secure Escrow agent for that deals can be ONLY the
>>>     RIPE NCC.
>>>
>>>
>>>     09.05.18 14:54, Dana Konkin (Onwave) пише:
>>>>
>>>>     Greetings all.
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     We have gone to a RIPE broker to obtain IPs that we badly need
>>>>     for upcoming customers. Never having been through this process
>>>>     before I am slightly timid because of the cost of IPs these
>>>>     days, and so the plan is to use escrow.
>>>>
>>>>     So,  my question relates to how to avoid getting my employer to
>>>>     hand out a wad of cash without a clear means to be totally
>>>>     secure that they will be able to use the IPs.
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     Is it possible to obtain from RIPE a guaranteed way for the
>>>>     Escrow agent to check with 100% accuracy that the IP transfer
>>>>     has been accepted by RIPE, that we can begin announcing and
>>>>     using the prefix, and that my company is safe to release money
>>>>     to the seller of the IP addresses?
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>      
>>>>      
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks very much
>>>>
>>>>     Dana
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     PS -My apology for not being able to find any previous answer to
>>>>     this in the archives.
>>>>
>>>>
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