[members-discuss] Request to update the SSA - Article 2.2, acceptance of documents

Erik,

you have my support for the request below.

@all - sorry for the top post

/elvis

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 01:37 Erik Bais <ebais at a2b-internet.com> wrote:

> Dear  members,
>
> I like to open a discussion to have the SSA updated into this century ..
> to allow for acceptance of the documents to be send in via the RIPE NCC
> Portal ( with SSO ) or send in by email after being signed, or the RIPE NCC
> to use a method of digital signature like the usage of DocuSign, Echosign
> or something similar.
>
> The acceptance of a digital signature has been allowed by EU law since
> December 1999, ( EU Directive 99/93/EG -
> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:31999L0093  )
> and implemented in Dutch law since 2003 (
> http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0015046/2003-05-21 )
>
> We are currently in 2018 and the SSA still refers to a device that most of
> our children never heard of or have seen ..... named a fax machine…
>
> <snip>
>
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-673
>
> Article 2 – General
>
> 2.1 The RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement shall come into effect by
> means of an offer and an acceptance.
>
> 2.2 To enter into the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement, the following
> documents have to be sent to the RIPE NCC by post or fax:
>
> ·         One copy of the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement containing
> the handwritten signature of an authorised representative of the Member
>
> ·         A recent extract from the Commercial Trade Register or
> equivalent document proving the registration of the Member with the
> national authorities.
>
> Upon receipt of these documents by the RIPE NCC, the RIPE NCC Standard
> Service Agreement is considered to be concluded. The RIPE NCC shall not
> commence the provision of the RIPE NCC services until these documents have
> been received. Conclusion of the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement
> establishes a RIPE NCC membership.
>
> </snip>
>
> While most of the fax implementations these days, including the one at the
> RIPE NCC office, is a device that stores an image copy of a document on a
> server. Not many companies have a paper print fax anymore these days..
>
> That document from those fax or multi-copier devices can then be printed
> by the local printer or stored digitally in a database attached to a LIR
> application as an attachment. Similar as if someone would scan the signed
> SSA and email the document ..
>
> However the current wording in the SSA doesn’t allow for that type of
> scenario .. and it should be updated to a more neutral wording to allow a
> better usage of technology.
>
> If we can sign for a mortgage application in The Netherlands using a
> digital signature, why can’t we apply for a new LIR with a digital
> signature.
>
> This will also allow for a much smoother new members to complete their
> application ..
>
> Using digital signatures will reduce the fees to DHL, speed up the
> complete on-boarding process and reduce the handling fees at the RIPE
> office.
>
> <sarcasm>
>
> For those that like to keep doing things, like we always did ..  The city
> of Amsterdam is also in the process to dis-allow the usage of horse and
> carriage in the city.
>
> So if someone would like to take a ride by horse carriage to the postal
> office and use their fax machine there .. that is something that you cannot
> do for a long time anymore as well …
> https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/na-bierfiets-is-het-ook-einde-verhaal-voor-paardenkoets-in-centrum-amsterdam~a4580876/
>
>
> </sarcasm>
>
> And for countries that don’t allow the usage of digital signatures or
> members that don’t want to use the new digital signature system, there is
> always the option to request the paper SSA to be send via DHL and have it
> signed and returned. Similar as we are currently also allowing those
> options for invoices …
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Erik Bais
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