[members-discuss] Request to update the SSA - Article 2.2, acceptance of documents
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Elvis Daniel Velea
elvis at v4escrow.net
Mon Jun 25 11:48:52 CEST 2018
Erik, you have my support for the request below. @all - sorry for the top post /elvis On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 01:37 Erik Bais <ebais at a2b-internet.com> wrote: > Dear members, > > I like to open a discussion to have the SSA updated into this century .. > to allow for acceptance of the documents to be send in via the RIPE NCC > Portal ( with SSO ) or send in by email after being signed, or the RIPE NCC > to use a method of digital signature like the usage of DocuSign, Echosign > or something similar. > > The acceptance of a digital signature has been allowed by EU law since > December 1999, ( EU Directive 99/93/EG - > http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:31999L0093 ) > and implemented in Dutch law since 2003 ( > http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0015046/2003-05-21 ) > > We are currently in 2018 and the SSA still refers to a device that most of > our children never heard of or have seen ..... named a fax machine… > > <snip> > > https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-673 > > Article 2 – General > > 2.1 The RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement shall come into effect by > means of an offer and an acceptance. > > 2.2 To enter into the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement, the following > documents have to be sent to the RIPE NCC by post or fax: > > · One copy of the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement containing > the handwritten signature of an authorised representative of the Member > > · A recent extract from the Commercial Trade Register or > equivalent document proving the registration of the Member with the > national authorities. > > Upon receipt of these documents by the RIPE NCC, the RIPE NCC Standard > Service Agreement is considered to be concluded. The RIPE NCC shall not > commence the provision of the RIPE NCC services until these documents have > been received. Conclusion of the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement > establishes a RIPE NCC membership. > > </snip> > > While most of the fax implementations these days, including the one at the > RIPE NCC office, is a device that stores an image copy of a document on a > server. Not many companies have a paper print fax anymore these days.. > > That document from those fax or multi-copier devices can then be printed > by the local printer or stored digitally in a database attached to a LIR > application as an attachment. Similar as if someone would scan the signed > SSA and email the document .. > > However the current wording in the SSA doesn’t allow for that type of > scenario .. and it should be updated to a more neutral wording to allow a > better usage of technology. > > If we can sign for a mortgage application in The Netherlands using a > digital signature, why can’t we apply for a new LIR with a digital > signature. > > This will also allow for a much smoother new members to complete their > application .. > > Using digital signatures will reduce the fees to DHL, speed up the > complete on-boarding process and reduce the handling fees at the RIPE > office. > > <sarcasm> > > For those that like to keep doing things, like we always did .. The city > of Amsterdam is also in the process to dis-allow the usage of horse and > carriage in the city. > > So if someone would like to take a ride by horse carriage to the postal > office and use their fax machine there .. that is something that you cannot > do for a long time anymore as well … > https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/na-bierfiets-is-het-ook-einde-verhaal-voor-paardenkoets-in-centrum-amsterdam~a4580876/ > > > </sarcasm> > > And for countries that don’t allow the usage of digital signatures or > members that don’t want to use the new digital signature system, there is > always the option to request the paper SSA to be send via DHL and have it > signed and returned. Similar as we are currently also allowing those > options for invoices … > > > > Kind regards, > > Erik Bais > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elvis%40v4escrow.net > -- Elvis Daniel Velea V4Escrow LLC Chief Executive Officer E-mail: elvis at v4escrow.net Mobile: +1 (702) 970 0921 Excuse the briefness of this mail, it was sent from a mobile device. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20180625/5a7d355c/attachment.html>
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