[members-discuss] LIR???s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support

Can you please show me a successful implementation of NAT in a medium sized datacenter? I am quite curious. 

Also, how about companies that have a dormant /8 which they don’t even announce ? I think you should be angry over them, for having millions of IPv4 unused, and not over us, who have a few thousands. 
I think they are the ones you refer to as stealing the future of other companies, right ? 


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> On 4 Dec 2018, at 15:50, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de> wrote:
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> You can’t avoid NAT, because there are not enough IPv4’s for everybody.
> You can’t change this, because the IPv4 pool is limited by technical standards.
> So you either implement NAT or move to IPv6. The best advice is to do both.
>  
> Faking LIRs for RIPE in order to grab legacy IP space is stealing the future of other companies.
>  
> Von: Bunea TELECOM <suport at bunea.eu <mailto:suport at bunea.eu>> 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2018 14:16
> An: Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de>>
> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] LIR???s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support
>  
> Hello Lutz,
>  
> Perhaps you should also offer some advice for us, we run a datacenter and we are very curious how we can evolve without having to open up multiple LIR accounts? 
> I don’t think NAT is a solution, so I am waiting for your answer.
>  
> Thanks
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> Petru Bunea / CEO 
> suport at bunea.eu <mailto:suport at bunea.eu> / +40752481282 <tel:+40752481282>
> Bunea TELECOM / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT
> http://www.bunea.eu <http://www.bunea.eu/> / +40745495495 <tel:+40745495495>
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> On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:50, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de>> wrote:
>  
> Because I need more addresses to offer to my customers. Purchasing
> addresses from open market is risky. Thats why I open new LIRs.
> 
> You are doing it wrong.
> 
> Please learn how to operate an ISP in modern times.
> Two hints:
> - https://lutz.donnerhacke.de/eng/content/search?SearchText=NAT <https://lutz.donnerhacke.de/eng/content/search?SearchText=NAT> (use deepl.com <http://deepl.com/>)
> - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6540 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6540>
> 
> But please stop wasting tight resources by incompetence.
> And please stop stealing resources from others by tricking RIPE policies.
> 
> Please note, that your message is enough to reclaim the illegal obtained resources back by RIPE NCC. That's one of the activities we pay them for.
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