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[members-discuss] LIR???s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support
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Dmitry Vorozhtsov
dvorozhtsov at gmail.com
Tue Dec 4 12:09:45 CET 2018
You are wrong. All my addresses are assigned and working. You may ask - why do I open LIRs again and again? Because I need more addresses to offer to my customers. Purchasing addresses from open market is risky. Thats why I open new LIRs. RIPE earns quick money in this case, not me. Regards, Dmitry. 04.12.2018 19:41, Paolo Prandini пишет: > I was worried so much about this discussion starting again! > I suppose a lot of people is interested in it, as far as I can > understand is a > matter of quick money by buying and reselling the last IPv4 blocks, > and RIPE is > NOT making this easy enough for some people. Then there are legitimate > claims, but the rules were so easy to understand, 1k IPs for new LIRs, > that there is always someone trying to bend them to make some more money. > Anyway it is the way it goes, the world moves where it finds the money, > I suppose it is a corollary of finding the minimum of potential energy. > But I am not interested in this discussion, it goes on and on and on > since more than a year, I am unsubscribing to the list. Thanks anybody > who contributed. > Paolo > > Il 04/12/2018 11:25, ripe-member-discuss+lr at c2play.de ha scritto: >> > Sebastian Wiesinger sebastian.wiesinger at noris.net [Tue Dec 4 >> 08:53:56 CET 2018] >> > The RIPE NCC fees are anually. As a convenience *to you* you can also >> > pay them quarterly (we don't). This has been discussed multiple times. >> >> > Regards >> >> > Sebastian >> >> That is, in the light of the matter of this discussion, not quite >> correct. Yes, the fees are annual - but they are charged on a pro >> rata basis, so for example, LIRs don't pay a full annual fee of >> €1,400 when they become LIR in the last quarter of 2018. They only >> pay for the last quarter of 2018. >> >> What the starter of the discussion criticizes is that LIRs not only >> have to pay member fees retroactively, they also have to pay it when >> those LIRs are not involved in the transfer at all. >> >> To be honest, I think that RIPE NCC is a very fair RIR, if not the >> fairest. But I also admit that this rule is quite confusing: To >> prevent impatient people from creating a LIR in the last quarter of a >> year, then transfering the resource(s) and closing the LIR to make >> fast money, we already have a rule which states that scarce resources >> cannot be transfered within the first 24 months after the resource >> was allocated. >> >> There may be also other reasons for companies to create multiple LIRs >> than making fast money. Many people do legitime business. Also in the >> earlier days of RIPE NCC some companies had multiple LIRs. >> >> With that said, I don't think the way how fees are charged for such >> transfers is consistent, it is quite confusing. On the other hand >> RIPE NCC has a legitime interest to prevent people from making fast >> money; but here we already have an effective rule: The 24 months >> restriction. >> >> So the question is: What is the reason for this rule if you think we >> need it to be kept? >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*Dave Benwell <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk >> </email/new/1/dave%40it-communicationsltd.co.uk>> >> *Sent:*Tuesday, 4. Dec 2018 – 10:39 CET +0100 >> *To:*Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian.wiesinger at noris.net >> </email/new/1/sebastian.wiesinger%40noris.net>> >> members-discuss at ripe.net </email/new/1/members-discuss%40ripe.net> >> >> *Subject:*Re: [members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, >> need support >> >> Additional accounts are normally setup to get more IP Space >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On >> Behalf Of Sebastian Wiesinger >> Sent: 04 December 2018 07:54 >> To: members-discuss at ripe.net >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, >> need support >> >> * Juri <hostmaster at ntx.ru> [2018-12-04 08:09]: >> > I suggest RIPE NCC do correct accounting for each LIR for the time >> > this LIR instance exists. If LIR has annual billing - then RIPE NCC >> > should use it. If LIR selected quarterly billing - RIPE NCC show >> use. > But RIPE NCC should not overcharge LIRs for the time they >> didn't give > any services for LIR instance. >> >> The RIPE NCC fees are anually. As a convenience *to you* you can also >> pay them quarterly (we don't). This has been discussed multiple times. >> >> Regards >> >> Sebastian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://mailman.ripe.net/ >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/dave%40it-communicationsltd.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://mailman.ripe.net/ >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-member-discuss%2Blr%40c2play.de >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://mailman.ripe.net/ >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/prandini%40spe.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/dvorozhtsov%40gmail.com
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