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[members-discuss] Effective countermeasures against BGP hijacking
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Arash Naderpour
arash_mpc at parsun.com
Wed Aug 1 15:04:19 CEST 2018
Hi, And how you can detect if an AS is hijacking a prefix? RPKI does not check if entire path is correct and the attacker can bypass it by adding the origin AS at the end of AS-PATH. BGPsec is there to address the BGP hijacking, but creating a black-list and some policies to list/delist ASNs just making things more complex (starting with who is going to manage the list) Regards, Arash From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Dominic Schallert Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2018 7:59 PM To: members-discuss at ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] Effective countermeasures against BGP hijacking Dear colleagues, I’m sure some of you have read about this recent incident; https://bgpstream.com/event/144058 . Nowadays we’re talking about transport security, https-per-default, etc. but the most fundamental parts of the internet such as BGP, are basically broken from a security perspective. While RPKI/ROA/ROV could fix most of the current security-related struggles, their deployment currently competes somewhat with IPv6 - or even worse - and therefore won’t be a practical solution in the forseeable future. Strict IRRDB and route object filtering is complicated (or almost impossible) as well. So I’m wondering, why can't we just have an automated blacklist like RBL's for mailservers, where all AS'es detected for hijacking prefixes are automatically blacklisted, similiar to Team Cymru's fullbogons feed? The list combined with some scripting could then be used for realtime AS-path filtering at border routers. Delisting of blacklisted ASNs should happen only after a pre-defined amount of time (eg. 14 days) or after paying a fee to a charity/non-profit and providing a statement on the issue which is publicy released. The idea is to hurt those who can’t get their stuff - especially prefix filtering - together. I still remember the days where everyone complained about RBLs, nowadays almost every mailserver setup relies on them. Sometimes extreme problems require extrem solutions. Mit besten Grüßen Kind Regards Dominic Schallert, BA schallert.com e.U. | Hauptstraße 35b, 6800 Feldkirch, Austria FN: 440372g | UID: ATU66209211 | Gerichtsstand: Feldkirch Tel.: +43 680 146 1947 | Fax: +43 134 242 642 616 <http://www.schallert.com> www.schallert.com | <mailto:office at schallert.com> office at schallert.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20180801/dabd185a/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 2753 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20180801/dabd185a/attachment.png>
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