[members-discuss] Russian government blocked 2mln IPs at 16/04/2018

>I'm absolutely agree with Jury, that RIPE should create special commission to prevent future blocking of huge part of the internet. They have blocked about 18 Millions of IPv4 for this day, I can't imagine, what will be after week or month, but it looks like Russians can lose an internet access and hurt global internet.
I'm sorry to break the news to you, but various RIPE region countries have higher level tech in place and go far beyond IP blacklisting to track users and do.. very bad... things - Notably Saudi-Arabia and the UAE.
And there are countries where services are far more crippled than in Russia now for years - notably Iran.
RIPE is no government body and has no power to enforce anything - it's in this regard a think tank that some might listen to, but nobody has to, and let me tell you: lobby work is damn expensive, especially in the EU.
Russia is a sovereign nation and if this censorship concerns Russians their system - in theory at least, unlike some other countries in our region - has ways to remove the law as either unconstitutional or by vote.
If this watchdogs and failsafe mechanisms do not work... well, we cannot really help you with that, revolutions are not (yet) within the RIPE scope of operations.
--
William Weber
Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 17:20, Youssef BENGELLOUN - ZAHR  wrote: 
 Hello Juri,
 Thank you for alerting the community about this.
 If you want more support from the community, may I suggest you translate your web page in English ? For the sake of clarity.
 Best regards.
Youssef BENGELLOUN - ZAHR - Consultant Expert
Prodware France
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Objet : Re: [members-discuss] Russian government blocked 2mln IPs at 16/04/2018
 Dear colleagues,
 I'm absolutely agree with Jury, that RIPE should create special commission to prevent future blocking of huge part of the internet. They have blocked about 18 Millions of IPv4 for this day, I can't imagine, what will be after week or month, but it looks like Russians can lose an internet access and hurt global internet.
 With best regards, 
 Nicolas
 17.04.2018, 19:14, "Juri" :
   Good day everybody!

 Update, currently amount of IPv4 in blocklist is about 4.8 mln
 You can see graphs and live update at https://2018.schors.spb.ru/ (https://2018.schors.spb.ru/)

 Telegram messenger keeps working. Telegram added new internal options to
 avoid been blocked and today it works even without proxies.
 Russian government adds more and more IPs to blocklist.
 For example I can open Opera website. I can download Skype because
 download cloud is blocked. A lot of Internet services affected.

 I suggest that in RIPE region should be special commission and it should
 be responsible for investigate of such cases and work on sanctions for
 that. Or they can broke the internet at least.

 p.s. As I mentioned already they wanted already to have ISPs have BGP
 links with authority and accept announces of prefixes they don't like.
 But that's the real attack for whole internet because that's just IP
 hijacking.
 Juri
 On 17.04.2018 2:16, Juri wrote:
   Good time of day!

  I want to bring up discussion about situation in Internet inside Russian
  Federation. I find current situation not good for Internet, not good for
  RIPE community, for ISPs and for progress itself.

  Short background.

  Russian government asked Telegram messenger service (like Viber, Watsup,
  etc, they can be the next) to give them keys of end-to-end encryption
  between users. Telegram refused to give it because it stands for
  freedom, constitution rights of people and telegram says it's not
  possible to give that keys because they don't have it. At least at
  Friday 13 of April 2018 they blocked websites of Telegram and at Monday
  16 they blocked all technical networks of Telegram inside Russian
  Federation.

  This Monday was really nice and fun day when users of the Telegram, the
  most popular messenger application in Russia, started to add VPN/Socks
  settings to unblock telegram. Telegram users are good in IT and a lot of
  people keep telegram online and use it.

  What did Russian government (who keeps using Telegram messenger as well)
  started to do? Yes, They started to block VPN services that gives free
  socks5 proxies and VPNs for telegram users. A lot of such services were
  based on Amazon Cloud. So, at the evening RKN (aka Roskonadzor, advisory
  of telecom) started to add IPv4 networks in Russian blocklist (= blackhole).

  Example of networks that were added to Russian blocklist/blackhole

  Amazone
      52.58.0.0/15
      18.196.0.0/15
      18.194.0.0/15
      18.184.0.0/15
      35.156.0.0/14

  GOOGLE CLOUD
      35.192.0.0/12

  A lot of businesses were affected even some bank companies, processing
  and others who where using Amazon services. Amount of small companies
  affected is very large. Big companies? Apple services were affected too
  as I found. A lot of application use Amazon cloud.

  Just for info. Some time ago Russian gov wanted to integrate blackhole
  based on BGP (and that's bring up the question about whole internet
  stability). Because they break local internet time to time.

  You can track amount of IPs in blocklist monitoring at
  https://2018.schors.spb.ru/ (https://2018.schors.spb.ru/)
  A lot of news web sites write about this situation.

  Сonclusion.

  I don't find this situation suitable for any country. I know and fully
  understand that it's not easy to find consensus in discussions of such
  things. But I wish and I want community think about such issues.
  They should not happen in any country.

  We are as RIPE community are responsible for Internet stability and
  safety and making this Internet better.

  I want RIPE community offer how we should protect normal internet users
  of all countries from unintelligent, irrational and very bad behavior of
  local authorities. I think it's not good idea to assign any IPs for such
  authorities.

  Consensus should be found.
 -- 
 Juri
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