[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019

On 4/13/2018 12:51 PM, William wrote:
> Yes, this sums it up pretty much, including the micro management.
> RIPE is overall in an excellent financial position (it rarely was 
> better) and i see a lot of this ideas ignore the sole costs of moving 
> staff needed, hardware (eg. import tax) and accounting to another 
> jurisdiction which eats away the profit from it for years.


RIPE is in excellent financial position because its overcharging for 
something that shouldn't cost that much.

Moving staff - why ? You buy new equipment.

Hardware has no import tax within EU

Accounting is much cheaper in a lot jurisdictions versus Netherlands


>
> --
>
> If RIPE accepts payment in RUR (or GBP, or USD) it has to be exchanged 
> to Euro immediately, so you pay the interbank rate anyway. In 
> practice, the same you pay now.


No , you can keep any currency at almost all banks. Noone is going to 
force to you to convert it to EUR unless you are going to spend it 
immediately.


>
> This exchange is either open market based on horrible rates (for eg. 
> RUR) or government only and thus a fixed rate nobody can adjust to 
> reality (eg. a lot of Arab country currencies).
> RIPE will not, and is not supposed to, hold foreign bank accounts and 
> store money until better FX rates (that might never happen) or invest 
> local for profit.
>
>
> Your complain is also not really RIPE related at all - Russia's 
> currency is still based on *dollar* and *oil*, any loss is 
> attributable to your economy and government, we should not subsidise 
> your problems in any way**(and neither should we finance anyone else 
> this way).


No , its about being fair. It's not. You cant ask 2000 euro from a 
company created in a country where the median sallary is 400E ( and im 
not talking about Russia ) and at the same time ask the SAME from a 
company created in a country where the median sallary is 2000 euro. That 
is 5x more expensive financially.


>
> In RIPE countries the most used currency overall is simply Euro, so 
> alone this justifies the sole usage IMO.


Based on what ? 9 out of 28 states don't use EUR. You can't ignore also 
ignore the fact of population density per country per acceptance of the 
eurozone.

Your comments simply make no sense in any way



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> -- 
> William Weber
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:50, Daniel Suchy <danny at danysek.cz> wrote:
>
>     This depends on currency exchange rate, which is variable and RIPE has
>     no control over it. Other services (IXP, for example) also doesn't
>     accept payment fixed in local currency from member origin country.
>
>     Even in case of accepting payments in local currency, the
>     membership/anual fees *must* be equal for each member regardless of
>     member's regional currency (= respecting currency exchange rates).
>
>     And it's much easier (and with less administrative overhead on RIPE
>     side) to have membership fees in *single* currency, as exchange
>     rate is
>     - by design - variable.
>
>     It was already mentioned - some members are trying to
>     "micromanage" RIPE
>     NCC. That's wrong idea in general.
>
>     With regards,
>     Daniel
>
>     On 04/13/2018 09:45 AM, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
>
>         I completely agree. The Membership  in Russia was 150k rubles
>         in 2014
>         and 255k rubles is now. The annual fees were 60k  rub in 2014
>         and 100k
>         rub now.
>
>         пт, 13 Апр 2018 г., 10:21 Alexandr Gurbo <a.gurbo at severen.ru
>         <mailto:a.gurbo at severen.ru>
>         <mailto:a.gurbo at severen.ru <mailto:a.gurbo at severen.ru>>>:
>         It is better to pay in our region in Russian rubles, in Europe in
>         Euro, in England in pounds. All RIPE community should think about
>         change not only about membership service fees, but and about
>         currency per region.
>
>
>
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