[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019

Goodness, someone must be really bored to continue to 'try' and spam me 
with unsubscribe requests and password resets. (p.s. mail filters work 
wonders)

Oh well will give the abuse departments of these IP ranges and transit 
providers something to do:

80.243.40.25

185.191.248.15

77.106.190.72

104.254.252.50

104.254.252.60

188.29.165.127

164.215.32.116

2a04:a9c0::42



On 04/13/2018 07:28 AM, Daniel Pearson wrote:
> Whomever 104.254.252.60 & 2a04:a9c0::42 are, that's not very nice 
> trying to unsubscribe me from this list :)
>
>
>
> On 04/13/2018 06:32 AM, Daniel Pearson wrote:
>> As my grandfather use to say. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
>>
>> I know it makes everyone feel good to have these pointless 
>> discussions and if that's what it takes by all means continue on, I 
>> do find them entertaining, but please, join reality. End of the day 
>> this is business, it costs money. Considering no rate increases and 
>> the fact that most years we've had a surplus so who cares if they 
>> blow a little money on hookers and coke, it's ok. RIPE provides us a 
>> good, reliable service and prompt turn around time on any requests. 
>> As someone else has said, try working with other RIRs.
>>
>> Anyways, carry on.
>>
>>
>> On 04/13/2018 02:03 AM, Huf Oliver, CI-A Rolls-Royce Power Systems AG 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> William,
>>>
>>> while I don't feel competent enough to comment on the first part of 
>>> your reply, I fully second the last paragraph!
>>>
>>> Oliver.
>>>
>>> *Von:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *Im 
>>> Auftrag von *William
>>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 13. April 2018 02:16
>>> *An:* Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net; agm at ripe.net
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual 
>>> Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
>>>
>>> Must be some joke (i hope at least).
>>>
>>> Russia does not have staff needs available unless you pay excessive 
>>> (skilled are in fact leaving anyway, we have a bunch of Russians 
>>> working from Cyprus nowadays), Russia is not politically stable (a 
>>> stable autocracy is not politically stable overall) and the currency 
>>> fluctuates between basically worthless and entirely worthless.
>>>
>>> Government control is excessive, freedom of business is low, growth 
>>> is low, legal security is nil.... plus one more round of UN 
>>> sanctions could cut off any RIPE member from paying invoices entirely.
>>>
>>> Russia is in no way suitable for RIPE (and in fact, Bulgaria has 
>>> less tax than Russia anyway + a much more simple tax system + EU).
>>>
>>> In case of no joke... after speaking with some LIRs we'll boycott 
>>> any attempts to move the NCC out of the EU and i assume from the 
>>> statutes this requires a full member vote which is extremely 
>>> unlikely to pass for Russia (or in practice anyone else).
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> William Weber
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 01:39, Aleksey Bulgakov 
>>> <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com <mailto:aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr <mailto:david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>>:
>>>
>>>         AFAIK, social charges paid by the employer in NL are around
>>>         28%, so it's less than 3000 euros per month per staff member
>>>         of income.
>>>
>>>         And that's before social charges paid by the employee (18%),
>>>         so it's less than 2500€ of net income per staff.
>>>
>>>         I would not judge if that's high or low in NL, but that's
>>>         not 4000€
>>>
>>>     So, we can move the RIPE office to another country, with
>>>     less salary numbers. E.g. there are the salary numbers
>>>     approximately 1500€ in Russia, including tax 13%. With social
>>>     tax 30% the salary numbers are 2000€ in Moscow.
>>>
>>>     What do you think about it? Me and my colleagues, who wrote here
>>>     earlier, are ready to help the community with relocation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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