[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019

As my grandfather use to say. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

I know it makes everyone feel good to have these pointless discussions 
and if that's what it takes by all means continue on, I do find them 
entertaining, but please, join reality. End of the day this is business, 
it costs money. Considering no rate increases and the fact that most 
years we've had a surplus so who cares if they blow a little money on 
hookers and coke, it's ok. RIPE provides us a good, reliable service and 
prompt turn around time on any requests. As someone else has said, try 
working with other RIRs.

Anyways, carry on.


On 04/13/2018 02:03 AM, Huf Oliver, CI-A Rolls-Royce Power Systems AG wrote:
>
> William,
>
> while I don't feel competent enough to comment on the first part of 
> your reply, I fully second the last paragraph!
>
> Oliver.
>
> *Von:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *Im 
> Auftrag von *William
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 13. April 2018 02:16
> *An:* Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net; agm at ripe.net
> *Betreff:* Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual 
> Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
>
> Must be some joke (i hope at least).
>
> Russia does not have staff needs available unless you pay excessive 
> (skilled are in fact leaving anyway, we have a bunch of Russians 
> working from Cyprus nowadays), Russia is not politically stable (a 
> stable autocracy is not politically stable overall) and the currency 
> fluctuates between basically worthless and entirely worthless.
>
> Government control is excessive, freedom of business is low, growth is 
> low, legal security is nil.... plus one more round of UN sanctions 
> could cut off any RIPE member from paying invoices entirely.
>
> Russia is in no way suitable for RIPE (and in fact, Bulgaria has less 
> tax than Russia anyway + a much more simple tax system + EU).
>
> In case of no joke... after speaking with some LIRs we'll boycott any 
> attempts to move the NCC out of the EU and i assume from the statutes 
> this requires a full member vote which is extremely unlikely to pass 
> for Russia (or in practice anyone else).
>
> --
>
> William Weber
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 01:39, Aleksey Bulgakov 
> <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com <mailto:aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr <mailto:david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>>:
>
>         AFAIK, social charges paid by the employer in NL are around
>         28%, so it's less than 3000 euros per month per staff member
>         of income.
>
>         And that's before social charges paid by the employee (18%),
>         so it's less than 2500€ of net income per staff.
>
>         I would not judge if that's high or low in NL, but that's not
>         4000€
>
>     So, we can move the RIPE office to another country, with
>     less salary numbers. E.g. there are the salary numbers
>     approximately 1500€ in Russia, including tax 13%. With social tax
>     30% the salary numbers are 2000€ in Moscow.
>
>     What do you think about it? Me and my colleagues, who wrote here
>     earlier, are ready to help the community with relocation.
>
>
>
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