[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019

Hans,

Understood, sorry I missed your point.

David Ponzone



> Le 12 avr. 2018 à 15:09, Hans Govenius <Hans.Govenius at devnet.fi> a écrit :
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> Hello again
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> As i did point out we are speaking of some OPEX items NOT salary. Salary components are 9720 Keuros/year which means around 5300 euros/month/empoyee including indeed components you pointed out below and as we speak about work that is demanding i dont find that to be a problem in anyway.
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> I did just count that not clearly opened NON-salary OPEX components which adds up to more than 4000 euros/month/person is quite high for these expenses.
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> Salaries are not problem here. And maybe even not other expenses, it was just pointed out that NON-salary components could be disclosed more specifically.
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> Best regads,
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> Hans Govenius
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> Lähettäjä: David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr> 
> Lähetetty: torstai 12. huhtikuuta 2018 15.57
> Vastaanottaja: Hans Govenius <Hans.Govenius at devnet.fi>
> Kopio: Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>; members-discuss at ripe.net; agm at ripe.net
> Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
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> Sorry, my mistake, 3125€ per month per staff (4000/1,28).
> The net income remains around 2500€.
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> Le 12 avr. 2018 à 14:55, David Ponzone a écrit :
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> AFAIK, social charges paid by the employer in NL are around 28%, so it's less than 3000 euros per month per staff member of income.
> And that's before social charges paid by the employee (18%), so it's less than 2500€ of net income per staff.
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> I would not judge if that's high or low in NL, but that's not 4000.
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> Le 12 avr. 2018 à 12:01, Hans Govenius a écrit :
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> Hello
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> There is 153 staff memebers at RIPE and having OPEX of 7,5 meur in Internals means over 4000 euros per month per one staff member. That is indeed quite high for a non-profit organization and therefore it would not be bad for transparency to open up atleast the biggest individual items. With current information it is not possible for paying members to sufficiently control and oversee the expenses generated by operations.
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> Best regards,
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> Hans Govenius
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> Lähettäjä: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Puolesta Aleksey Bulgakov
> Lähetetty: keskiviikko 11. huhtikuuta 2018 18.52
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> Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
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> Dear, Axel.
>  
> Thank you for your report.
>  
> But I cannot understand some things. The number of members increases every year, but the annual payment isn't changed. The NCC is noncommercial organisation, but  the payment for new members is 2000 euro for registration. Is it so hard to print papers and send them by DHL and is it necessary to make the membership so expensive?
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> ср, 11 Апр 2018 г., 18:11 Sergey Myasoedov <kaa at net-art.cz>:
> Dear Axel,
> 
> Thank you for publishing the reports.
> 
> It's very nice to put 7.5 MEur of opex as 'Internal' as mentioned on
> the page 7 of the Annual Report, but this amount is 1/3 of total opex.
> Can this amount be explained?
> 
> 
> --
> Kind regards,
> Sergey Myasoedov
> 
> 
> 
> You wrote Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 4:08:43 PM:
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> > Dear RIPE NCC members,
> 
> > The following important documents are now online:
> 
> > - RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017
> > - RIPE NCC Financial Report 2017
> > - RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
> 
> > All three are supporting documents for the RIPE NCC General Meeting
> > (GM), which takes place from 16-18 May 2018. Members will vote to
> > approve the Financial Report and the Charging Scheme at the GM.
> 
> > The full list of supporting documents is available at:
> > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/supporting-documents/supporting-documents
> 
> > If you have any feedback, please email <agm at ripe.net>.
> 
> > We ask all RIPE NCC members to register for the GM so they can vote on
> > these documents, as well as in the Executive Board elections that will
> > take place at the GM. Full remote participation is possible for those
> > who cannot attend the meeting in Marseille.
> 
> > We previously announced that publication of these documents would take
> > place on 4 April. We apologise for the delay.
> 
> > All information on the GM, including the draft agenda and how to
> > register to participate remotely, is included on the GM homepage:
> > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/
> 
> > Best regards,
> 
> > Axel Pawlik
> > Managing Director
> > RIPE NCC
> 
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> --
> Kind regards,
> Sergey Myasoedov
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