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Tim Armstrong
t.armstrong at nerdalize.com
Thu Sep 7 16:17:05 CEST 2017
Hi Mike, I think asking if such a list comes from scraping the DB should be part of a brokers due diligence, should it not? If for nothing else than as a matter of civility towards those you are contacting. Regards, Tim. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote: > Hello Alex, > > > > As a broker, LIR, and contact for some address blocks in RIPE and ARIN, I > receive these solicitations as well, and it is particularly bothersome > getting solicited from other brokers who should know better. > > > > I would support administrative action against LIRs or registered brokers > at RIPE who abuse the DB, but what if these people are buying a list of > email addresses which they are not aware was scraped from the DB? Would > that offer some defense? > > > > Regards, > > Mike Burns > > > > > > > > > > *From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On > Behalf Of *Alex Lobachov > *Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 5:24 AM > *To:* members-discuss at ripe.net > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse > > > > Good day, > > > > I’m all for administrative actions to LIR members (usually guys who are > involved in ipv4 transfers) who are found guilty of using the DB with > commercial goals. > > > > Closing the LIR might be the appropriate (yet quite aggressive one) action > for them. > > > > Comments? > > > > > -- > Alex Lobachov > Telenet, sia > Network Systems Engineer > LinkedIn: https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll > E-mail: alxl at telenet.lv > Skype: alxl__ > Direct office: +371 67886224 <+371%2067%20886%20224> > Office: +371 67711111 <+371%2067%20711%20111> > > > > *From:* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong at nerdalize.com> > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM > > *To:* Vegard Svanberg <vegard at monsternett.no> > > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse > > > > Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact > attached to an LIR then you can see everything. > > Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. > > Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for > access. > > > > > > On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard at monsternett.no> wrote: > > * Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong at nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]: > > > I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing > > structural we can do about this? > > At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, > > instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC > > website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / > > complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. > > I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I > have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this > through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the > idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback > loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational > consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and > maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations. > > And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with > phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well. > > Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response > anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be > a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database > dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate > against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the > problem is big enough to warrant any major changes. > > -- > -o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (www.monsternett.no) > /\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN, NORWAY > _\_v Phone: (+47) 69701802 | Fax: (+47) 69701801 > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > ------------------------------ > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. > -- *Tim Armstrong*Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 <+31617544472> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20170907/298b2036/attachment.html>
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