[members-discuss] Database Abuse

Lu,

I am surprised that you decided to comment on the list on this subject. Also surprised that David (your colleague - my ex-colleague) is mass mailing. 
If an ex-NCC employee uses the RIPE Database for mass mailing, even though he should know better, I believe there is no fix to this problem.

Cogent spams every new holder of IPs, they have been doing it for years and nobody does anything about it... 

I wonder if the RIPE NCC has ever done anything to the cases reported so far, maybe it's time the RIPE NCC comes with some clear examples of how the RIPE DB abusers get punished.

Otherwise, 20-50 spams daily + 2-5 offers from Cogent + e-mails from dozens of wannabe IP brokers is what every new member has to get used to.

elvis

Excuse the briefness of this mail, it was sent from a mobile device.

> On Sep 5, 2017, at 01:40, Lu Heng <h.lu at outsideheaven.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I think the only thing one can do is increase technical difficulty for mass gathering DB personal emails.
> 
> For personal contact...I mean we are at social network age, if someone really wants to contact you, they always can.
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 17:36 Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong at nerdalize.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. 
>> Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
>> 
>> We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
>> 
>> I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.
>> The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
>> 
>> I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? 
>> At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Tim.
>> 
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