[members-discuss] Executive Board Resolution on Legacy Internet Resource Holders

Hi,


On Mon, 26 Sep 2016, Erik Bais - A2B Internet wrote:

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> If you stop paying your ripe membership fees, you lose your rights that are connected to that LIR ( including the Right of use of the IP space)
> Not with Legacy .. as RIPE isn't able to 'reclaim' an asset that isn't theirs ...
>
> In that regard, I truely don't understand why the RIPE NCC asks legacy 
> space holders if they want to convert their legacy space to RIPE PA 
> space ... which has a huge impact for the rights of the legacy space 
> holders...

Precisely!!!
In practice it means the holder can lose its own asset(s) in the future. 
As i read it, this was kind of a compromise to normalize/enable service 
from the RIPE NCC to legacy resource holders. I was against it (being one 
of the 2012-07 co-authors...), but my concerns didn't get enough traction.


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>> I can understand that a legacy space holder can keep the space
>> "received" before the existence of the NCC, but not the fact that 
>> others can acquire that kind of space and pretend to the same 
>> treatment.
>
> Yes, they can. And the RIPE NCC is right not to try to step into that 
> pitfall as they are not a party between the legal holder and the new 
> legal holder.
> Just because the RIPE NCC is in the same business of leasing out IP 
> space to others, doesn't mean that they can meddle with other parties in 
> the same region that have a similar status as the RIPE NCC ( legacy 
> holders being able to Allocate space to other parties) .. even if they 
> are not called a RIR ...

Exactly. But luckly, afaik, most LRHs are not actively pursueing that kind 
of business....... :-)


> And on a last note on the point of the board in regards of stopping the 
> free lir sign-up for legacy holders ... I think this should be stopped 
> directly. <period>

Yup. +1 (i think i already voiced a +1 on this before)


Regards,
Carlos Friaças
(pt.rccn)


> We don't have to sponsor legacy space holders in order to become a 
> LIR.. if they can't cough up a setup fee after being able to use the 
> space for free since 1994, they will never be able to pay the membership 
> fees.. and I'm not buying that sobbing story ..
> It will also stop the agreements for small /29 or /28 legacy prefixes 
> just to get a free /22..
>
> Regards,
> Erik Bais
>
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