[members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

Rumy,

Thanks for taking the time to expand upon this. I had assumed IPv6 
training and promotion would be mixed in so from the main report a bit 
more difficult to calculate.


On 09/23/2016 04:55 AM, Rumy Kanis wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Thank you for your questions. Please note that IPv6 activities and support are spread throughout the organisation, so it’s difficult to give you an exact number as to how much effort and money is spent on IPv6 in total. I’m going to focus on training and outreach activities alone.
>
> IPv6 is a significant part of our training portfolio, both face to face and on-line. For 2017 we have 287kEUR budgeted for the following IPv6 training:
> - Basic IPv6 training course (29x in 2016)
> - 2-day Advanced IPv6 training course (10x in 2016)
Are these face to face only, or do you also conduct them in a webinar 
setting?

>
> In addition to this, there is a 171kEUR budget for:
> - IPv6 Program Management
> - IPv6 Roadshows (7x in 2016)
>
> If we add these up, the total IPv6 training and program management budget is 458kEUR.
>
> This does not include our online activities, which is a separate budget. For IPv6 we have the following training services available online:
> - IPv6 Addressing plan Webinar (7x in 2016)
> - IPv6 in the RIPE DB Webinar (7x in 2016)
>
> Apart from this, in 2015 we launched the on-line Introduction to IPv6 training course on the RIPE NCC Academy. In 2017 we are planning to release a more advanced IPv6 course on the RIPE NCC Academy.

That is awesome to hear. I think indeed more of this will be useful. 
Speaking without having looked at a lot of the material online, I think 
an unique approach would be to reach out to a sample set of providers 
who may not be taking advantage of IPv6 and compile a list of some of 
the common misunderstandings involved with IPv6 to help build upon a 
search able database. Would help not only with providing an 
authoritative answer for some of these questions, but also could be used 
to drive traffic and awareness to RIPE's efforts with IPv6.

>
> These are just the numbers of the IPv6-only courses and webinars. I would like to add here that IPv6 is also covered in our other courses, where relevant. IPv6 is *everywhere*. As it should be!
>
> With regards to your question
>
>> Any plans to expand the IPv6 roadshows outside of ENOG and MENOG?
> The roadshow material is the same material as the Basic and Advanced IPv6 training courses combined. We have already been doing these courses for a few years in the entirety of our service region. If you would like to see a list of all the countries we’ve been to in 2016, please let me know, I’m happy to give you more information. And, as Nigel mentioned, we can certainly look at adding more IPv6 training to the activity plan.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rumy Spratley-Kanis
> Training Services Manager
> RIPE NCC

Thanks again!

>
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 20:16, Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net> wrote:
>>
>> Nigel,
>>
>> Thanks for the information. I've read a lot of the plan and have a couple of questions if you feel inclined to provide some more insight.
>>
>> According to what I can see, the budget is split into several parts for training. A general 'overall' training budget and then a much smaller budget for IPv6 Support. Based on this document in particular, it's hard to say exactly how much of the larger training budget is spent specifically on IPv6, but it does show that the dedicated "IPv6 Support" budget is quite small, roughly 171,000 EUR.
>>
>> It seems primarily tied to MENOG sponsored IPv6 Roadshows. The rest seems split into the ENOG region, mostly with past efforts being to cross train folks with the idea that they will help present more road shows.
>>
>> The final split in the budget is the online resources for IPv6.
>>
>> Can you say how much of the training budget applies to IPv6 in general?
>>
>> Any plans to expand the IPv6 roadshows outside of ENOG and MENOG?
>>
>> My personal opinion is the budget of 171,000 EUR for IPv6 Support, for the size of RIPE, is quite small. I would be interested to see that increased quite a bit to allow for more online resources, training, webinars and potentially even access to professionals that, while not providing support per say, could help guide folks unfamiliar with some of the IPv6 pitfalls in the right direction.
>>
>> Daniel~
>>
>> On 09/22/2016 12:47 PM, Nigel Titley wrote:
>>> Daniel (and others)
>>>
>>> On 22/09/16 18:32, Daniel Pearson wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> I would say you get a gold star for recommending something feasible and
>>>> realistic. RIPE already had a budget excess of over 5 Mil EUR last year.
>>>> I would not be opposed if RIPE was tasked with creating a department to
>>>> help with IPv6 education through programs like that.
>>> Could I respectfully suggest that you take a look at the RIPE NCC
>>> activity plan which tells you exactly on what and how much the RIPE NCC
>>> is planning to spend next year. It already spends a lot on outreach and
>>> it continues to spend a lot on IPv6 education. It's been doing this for
>>> many, many years. Start by looking at last year's plan, this year's will
>>> be out very soon.
>>>
>>> Have a look and comment on it.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Nigel
>>> Chairman RIPE NCC Board
>>>
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