[members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

On 22/09/16 13:47, Arash Naderpour wrote:
> And because of the mentioned normal human behavior, there are plenty of new
> members thinking that they should pay less than old members ;)
>
> Arash

That may very well be, but then some research should be done again and 
those people should check, what the older members, due to historical 
reasons have bigger allocations, have paid in the past for the 
membership and allocations.

You'd find, that the price has come down a lot in the last years.

So .. calculate years of allocation by fees paid every year and you'll 
find thats exactly the case.

You come late to the game, you pay overall less for the ressource. But 
you also get a smaller piece of the pie.

Such is life.

Kind regards,
Martin List-Petersen
Airwire Ltd.


>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Host.AG <admin at host.ag> wrote:
>
>> Nobody wants to drop a scarce resource like ipv4, even if they don't use
>> it. They'd rather sell it and i believe this is the normal human behavior.
>> I believe we should focus on making all ripe members ipv6 ready (100%) and
>> any discounts/costs should be based on ipv6 implementation rather than ipv4.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:55:12 +0300, Simon Lockhart <simon at slimey.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu Sep 22, 2016 at 09:44:40PM +1000, Arash Naderpour wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe 1k Euro is nothing to many members, but it is something important
>>>> the
>>>> end-users that recently had to become a RIPE NCC member, to just receive
>>>> an
>>>> small block of /22.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, they *chose* to join RIPE as an LIR, because it was cheaper than
>>> buying
>>> the IPs they need on the open market. And you're now asking for it to be
>>> even
>>> cheaper.
>>>
>>> Can anyone from RIPE NCC tell me how many members are holding just an /22?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The data is published, I can't be bothered to write a script to figure it
>>> out,
>>> but it wouldn't be hard.
>>>
>>>         http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/
>>> stats/membership/alloclist.txt
>>>
>>> Simon
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