[members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

On Wed Sep 21, 2016 at 12:46:04PM +0000, Muntasir.Ali at newham.gov.uk wrote:
> This is considering that many (not all) of the proposed "solutions"
> may make it more expensive or infeasible for us to retain membership
> were they implemented as described

Some of those proposals were intended to make some give up their
space as too expensive, in the hope that RIPE would get the space
back and allocate it to them/others. Luckily you have legacy so
can opt out

> were RIPE to adopt a model based on size of IP address space,
> then for us, it would make more sense to set up a new business
> and register that as a brand new LIR without any IPv4 space,
> and just ask for an IPv6 allocation.

One of the reasons I declined the offer to convert legacy
(on another, not for profit, LIR) to regular PA RIPE
managed was I couldn't be sure there woulnd't be a crazy
policy come up where I'd regret it. If you had taken their offer
you could probably argue to rescind it based on unreasonable
change of terms. With your legacy opted out you should
be able to keep the current LIR and thus the current v6 space

> Not that I expect it to work that way anyway (creating an LIR
> with IPv6 allocation and no IPv4 allocation)

That has to be possible as we're heading to a v6 only future.
Today new entrants may use an upstreams v4 but start with their
own v6

> that's simply not maintainable for RIPE if quite a large
> number of organisations were to do this, and it may push
> up costs for the members which do have IPv4 allocations.

Should make no difference at all, current fees take no account
of the space you use.

> Which highlights another point - I've noticed there's been no
> mention or consideration of size of IPv6 allocations when it
> comes to charging models based on IP allocation.  I presume
> the general membership don't consider this an issue at
> present due to the vast size of IPv6 address space?

Current charging model is flat so it doesn't matter. Some are
proposing it not be flat which does introduce such problems

brandon