[members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

Even if pricing was adjusted at the end of the day what would that 
really accomplish.

I think this whole email thread is just skewed and way off course.

Several things proposed RIPE just cannot do, period. It would run RIPE 
counter to not only it's own articles, but of European law as well.


Now, if the end goal is to simply 'redistribute' the cost among its 
members differently, this is fine. Just remember, at the end of the day, 
you are splitting a 21~ Million EUR budget (could be slightly higher for 
2016) between close to 15,000 LIR's now, any way you slice it, you won't 
have much of an impact.

For the LIR with a single /22, if saving 1,000 EUR a year is honestly a 
make or break thing for you, quite frankly, re-evaluate your business 
and find a new line of work.

As the non-profit mentioned, right now it makes sense for them, but he's 
also correct. Legacy blocks are not contractually controlled the same 
way non legacy is, so you easily risk them deciding it's not worth 
having their block announced by RIPE and simply going elsewhere for the 
same services.

End of the day, I think the over all goal should be defined, and then 
once it is defined make a path, otherwise we're just wasting electrons.


On 09/21/2016 08:27 AM, Floris Bos wrote:
> On 09/21/2016 02:46 PM, Muntasir.Ali at newham.gov.uk wrote:
>> As a non-profit LIR with a /16 Legacy IPv4 address space, and only 
>> Legacy space within IPv4, we would be opposed to any charging models 
>> based on size of IP allocations, especially those which include 
>> Legacy space within consideration of calculating what is charged.  
>> This is considering that many (not all) of the proposed "solutions" 
>> may make it more expensive or infeasible for us to retain membership 
>> were they implemented as described.
>
> There is a big difference between disliking a proposal just because it 
> is more expensive to you, and it really being infeasible for any 
> organisation.
>
> What if the price difference was not exactly proportional, but more 
> modest, based on categories, like other NCCs have.
> E.g. similar to ARIN where a provider with a /22 pays $ 500, and one 
> with a /16 $ 4000
>
> Would you still take advantage of the loophole you have as legacy 
> holder, and go through the trouble of setting up another LIR for your 
> IPv6, just to save +/- 3k?
>
> And how many legacy holders with no other IPv4 space does RIPE 
> actually have?
>
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Floris Bos
>
>
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