[members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net>
 wrote:

> Sorry to say but I really don't think you are seeing the picture.
>
> I fail to see how dropping yearly fee's, increasing 'setup' fee's will
> accomplish anything. Perhaps spend some time and do the math out and put an
> actual outline with some numbers behind it and then match that upto the
> required budget to operate RIPE.
>

Charging every member for the amount of resources they are using will bring
back some fairness in an inherently unfair system.


>
> You specifically say this:
>
> "After the membership has approved the new plan via a majority vote there
> will be an excess in money available due to the higher setup fee. The price
> will be determined by availability."
>
> RIPE having an 'excess' of money, will simply mean that money is returned
> to its members. The price is not determined by availability of resources,
> it is determined primarily by the operating costs of RIPE its self.
>

Under my plan the RIPE NCC will use that excess money to buy back resources
from RIPE NCC members who are willing to give back some of their resources.

The amount of resources members are willing to give back will influence the
price the RIPE NCC would be willing to pay from the excess funds.



>
> Specifically lets look at the Articles of Association that govern RIPE.
>
> Article 3 – The Association: Objective
>
> The objective of the Association is to perform activities for the benefit
> of the Members, primarily activities that the Members need to organize as a
> group. This object can be sub-divided into the following activities:
>
>    - Registration Activities related to the role of the Association as
>    Regional Internet Registry;
>    - Co-ordination Activities, including the support of the stable
>    operation of the Internet;
>    - Administration Activities, including all regular reports and
>    administrative support as well as all other general administrative tasks
>    which cannot be attributed to a specific activity;
>    - New Activities, including all activities which are necessary to
>    react to the rapidly changing world of the Internet; and to do all that is
>    connected therewith or may be conducive thereto, all this in the widest
>    sense of the word. *Making profit is not an object of the Association.*
>
>
> So if RIPE cannot make a profit, then it is impossible for it to set fee's
> so high that would make any impact and thus limits the whole game to a
> 21,000,000 million EUR bubble, which is TINY compared to some of the power
> house IT companies budgets.
>

If the RIPE NCC wants to protect the remaining resources the setup fee
needs to be increased either way, it is as simple as that. As I already
said the excess amount will be used to buy back resources from members that
are willing to give them back. Buying back resources instead of dispersing
excess money will benefit future LIRs as they may still be able to get a
small amount of IPv4 resources and make the entire system more efficient if
you provide LIRs with unused resources an easy way to give back some
resources and provide them with a reimbursement.


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