[members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

If you give the LIR's with more /24's, or whatever the measure, more votes then it will not be a fair community/decision scheme on policies anymore since then all the largest LIR's will decide the decisions etc in RIPE and will make everything in favor of only them.

The costs for larger LIR's will be higher if you would charge per IPv4, though a large LIR that needs them and uses them should not complaint since large LIR's assumably have larger incomes and if not then something is in my opinion wrong with the financial part or business scheme of that LIR.

On the other hand large LIR's that don't use them will get an extra reason to get rid of the extra IPv4 adresses which he does not use since it will cost extra money.

I would vote in favor for a solution where transfers of IPv4 adresses would only occur through RIPE. (Selling and buying to/from RIPE only)

Aswell i would vote in favor for a solution to charge for IPv4 adresses of a LIR.

My guess is that this combo will be the solution to the current issues.

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Op 24 jul. 2016 om 11:28 heeft Brandon Butterworth <hostmaster at bogons.net<mailto:hostmaster at bogons.net>> het volgende geschreven:

On Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:18:19AM +0200, Prager-IT e.U. wrote:
With membership fee based on number of /24 then members may decide
to also get one vote per /24.  Would they vote for this scheme (do
they get their N*/24 votes before or after this vote...)

I don't understand what you are trying to say

I'm saying that if fees are proportional to resource then the members
with more resource (/24's or whatever the measure) may wish to have a
quantity of votes proportional to the resource they pay for

each entity has one vote
even if they have multiple LIR accounts under the same entity.

In the current scheme, if you change the scheme that may change too

We are not shifting any costs, we are just asking each member to pay their
fair share for the amount of resources they are using

Yes it is, it is shifting the cost to larger members, hugely

8,23 Euros per year per 256 IPv4 addresses is hardly a business case
breaking amount of money.

I referred to the current scheme which is also hardly a business case
breaking amount of money. So cost is not a good reason to change it
especially when changing it will drive the sort of behaviour that
RIPE are trying to prevent

These changes will also bring a very real cost to
super large LIRs that hold a ton of resources and may
finally spark some meaningful IPv6 adoption.

It may but the access networks with large amounts of IPv4
are adopting IPv6 already, it takes a long time and it's
only been started in the last few years but it's happening
in large chunks, like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoqGvZr4Uto

The hard bit is content hosters who mostly have enough
space and don't have enough IPv4 that charging more for it
will be a large incentive

brandon

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