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On 21 Jul,2016, at 20:15, Erik - 8tto Trading Sa <erik at 8tto.net<mailto:erik at 8tto.net>> wrote:

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Please can you remove me from this distribution group

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From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Network Operations Centre
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

Policy changes can be proposed please see this link

https://www.ripe.net/support/training/learn-online/videos/policy-development-process-pdp/policy-development-3.html

I think for interested parties we should setup a group outside of this mailing list to propose a change to the policy. The hard part is convincing the members to vote for it because anyone who would be negatively affected would vote against it and anyone positively affected would vote for it. It would be a good attempt and I’d be happy to co-ordinate and spend some time with other members to propose a change or new policy.



Graham

From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of Stefan van Westering <stefan at softtech.nl<mailto:stefan at softtech.nl>>
Date: Thursday, 21 July 2016 at 18:40
To: "members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>" <members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

I agree on this one.
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Op 21 jul. 2016 om 19:38 heeft David Benwell <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk<mailto:dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk>> het volgende geschreven:
Spot on. Is there such a voting system in place with ripe with enough votes to change the policy to something like you have said below?

This no doubt will upset some of the LR's who do have /19 /20 /16 doing nothing with them.



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From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Network Operations Centre
Sent: 21 July 2016 18:33
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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

You have picked one point out of a longer email but I do acknowledge that but to retort a lot of people got MORE than they needed at the time and the two probably balance out. It really comes down to bad controls early on and LIRs being penalised for it now. Some onus should be put on to RIPE to sort out the mess from the past that would go some way to sorting the issue out.

There is I’m sure a way using all of the many tools we have available be able to prove to RIPE what ips are being used. Something like Netflow data would show the percentage of IPs in use across an allocation and upon proof of exhaustion at the local level be entitled to more. Additionally then people hording should be made to return their IP’s until they need them.


Graham


On 21/07/2016, 18:23, "Gert Doering" <gert at space.net<mailto:gert at space.net>> wrote:

   Hi,

   On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 05:11:03PM +0000, Network Operations Centre wrote:
IMHO the current position is hurting the industry and creating un necessary complexity. The final /8 rule was put in to help new LIRs. As a new small LIR its hindering our growth plans period.

   What would you say today if we had no "final /8 rule" today, and all
   IPv4 space would have been used up 5 years ago?

   In other words: you would not even get a /22 today, if the policy were
   not as restrictive as it is.

   (I find it amazing how loud folks complain about "we cannot get enough!"
   that only are able to get anything at all because all *others* got less
   than they wanted, earlier in the game)

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