[members-discuss] Is mailing list become too small for RIPE?
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Matthias Šubik
matthias.subik at ucnd.at
Fri Feb 19 13:31:48 CET 2016
for brevity, I tried to resort this reply. > On 19.02.2016, at 13:08, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote: > ... > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Matthias Šubik <matthias.subik at ucnd.at> wrote: >> Hello, >>> On 19.02.2016, at 12:45, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote: >>> >>> With overwhelming mail traffic for past few days, I just realise one >>> thing that I'd like to share with fellow colleagues. >>> >>> Now we have 13,000 members, and keep growing at 2000 member a year, >>> with all those amount of active discussion, maybe maillng is not such >>> a good idea for such big group, maybe Forum … >> ... >>> Let me know what everybody thinks. >> ... >> e-Mail needs discipline, or a client like gmail, that does the clean up for you (minus the privacy). >> >> The problem is not the size, I would guess lists like the LKML have more members. It is the automatic subscription. >> On the other hand, the members won’t find this list. > > 1. not everyone has gmail client and not everyone want to change their > mail solution just for the sake of single list. This is correct, if you auto-subscribe the members main e-Mail to this list, you even mess up the mass e-Mail setup of those who happen to have a dedicated e-Mail solution for ML-discussions. >> >> So maybe each members contact needs to be on here, but needs a good welcome package, including the do’s and don’ts on mailing lists. Seems to be forgotten knowledge these days. > ... > > 2. educate everyone behave(and in this case more like educate 13,000 > companies) are near impossible job. This is a question of moderation, not of the technology. I guess the original idea was, to have a way to address all members, from RIPE, and from within the community of members. > > 3. Forums are more passive engagement then mailling list(in mailling > list you ware almost forced to engage every message there at the time > it posted unless you do quite a bit trick to your mail solution), > while in the Fourm you may choice when you want to read it. Or if you want to read at all. The Problem with the forum is: I would wonder if more than a few hundred readers would use it. As you said: “when you want to read it”. e-Mail is push, and it is therefor the medium of choice for bad news, or information the sender wants to get through, not the receiver wants to have “right now”. > > 4. Ripe now has more member than the other 4 RIR together combined, so > it make sense to discuss issue in more organized way. I second that. But it isn’t a technology / medium question. It is a social one. How do I reach out to 13000 members, with probably more languages combined compared to most other online communities? This is the real question which needs to be asked here. I need to ask all members to vote on a topic, for their opinion, etc. You can’t do that in a forum, unless the forum is backed by *hearthedrums* e-Mail notification. So how to deal with a list of autosubscribed members? moderation-only? I don’t know. What I do know for certain is, members need to interact with RIPE NCC, with the community, on abuse, IPv6 transition and probably other topics. As a LIR you can’t unsubscribe from being a member, and pretend change doesn’t happen. Matthias ps: I tried to pick up all the different topics covered in this thread. If I missed one, let me know.
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