[members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC, Members and Multiple LIRs

On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Sylvain Vallerot wrote:

> Many people here recalled that the last /8 policy spirit (if not the
> letter) is to allow newcomers to born and get the minimal IPv4 ressource
> to be able to jumpstart. This is what it is all about. But those 
> newcomers do not have to be LIRs. Thinking that they should is wrong
> in two ways : forgetting that most companies needing to born outside 
> there are actually EndUsers (yes, our clients quite often), and taking
> it for granted that a LIR has an ASN, a network, is an IP operateur
> itself or even an ISP, which is just wrong. But a LIR is *just* an
> IP distributor benefiting from a special relationship with the Ripe
> to *serve* its EndUsers.

Well, we have to remember the NCC financial model. Just a few years ago 
peoble were really worried about the economy because what was the NCC to 
do, and make an income from, once there was no more IPv4 address space to 
allocate? And the solution was as we know to push everything via 
membership fees and force everyone wanting address space (IPv6 or IPv4) to 
become a member. Certainly the NCC also wanted each and every legacy space 
holder to become a member.

So if you as an LIR could serve 1,000 or 10,000 members, then there would 
be very little money to the NCC.

Personally however, I agree with you. I don't think you should be forced 
to become an LIR just because you need some address space. What we have 
now is thousands of LIR:s having absolutely no interest in the RIPE 
community. It is just as the (now dropped) idea to force LIR:s into IPv6 
in order to get IPv4 - they would of course apply for the IPv6 and never 
use it.

Cheers,

Daniel

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