[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss

Would it be so complicated to say:
If /22 announced by AS X (the buyer), aggregated or not, AND
[(/22 announced by AS Y (the seller)) OR (/22 not announced at all by AS Y)]
then something is wrong

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> Le 18 févr. 2016 à 14:01, Thomas Mangin <thomas.mangin at exa-networks.co.uk> a écrit :
> 
> On 17 Feb 2016, at 17:27, Gunnar Guðvarðarson wrote:
> 
>> 2. Make it so that any /22 allocated from "the last /8" is
>> non-transferrible if allocated after a specific date, ever.
>> 
>> That way, if a LIR requests a /22 the subnet is bound to that LIR, if
>> the LIR then wants to merge with another company it must return the
>> /22.
> 
> Transfer / Acquisition are not the only way to use some other network IP space.
> I said it in a previous mail but it seems my line of thought was not understood so I will explain it below.
> This is not meant to generate a discussion just show how complex things could become (for the NCC) with the wrong rules in place.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> —
> Recreative writing:
> 
> Create a new business and LIR then find a network wanting the space and LEASE them the space.
> Give them a lovely contract with non-disclosure to protect both parties.
> 
> Then the buyer becomes upstream and route the IP address. The seller will very willingly shout to whoever want to believe it that he is a customer/reseller of his and use his infrastructure to deliver services.
> 
> They will forever stay two legal entities (negligible cost). I will be therefore be impossible to prove ‘beyond doubt’ to stop this behaviour.
> 
> In this scenario the person ‘leasing’ the IP space is at risk but may have no other choice. And clearly as this will be against the rule, the person ‘owning the IP’ can have a suddain realisation that he is doing something wrong and then reclaim what he leased.
> 
> If you think it is ugly. think about how you want to handle this issue. I can think uglier :-)
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