[members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list

please remove me as well.
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From: members-discuss [members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] on behalf of David Benwell [dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:53 AM
To: Alex Johnson; Omar Dallah; members-discuss at ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator'
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list

And us

From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Johnson
Sent: 17 February 2016 15:44
To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah at dot-jo.com>; members-discuss at ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster at ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list

Please could you also remove me from the conversation.

Kind Regards

Alex Johnson
Professional Services Consultant
Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000
Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799



From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah
Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42
To: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster at ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster at ripe.net>>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir at ripe.net<mailto:new-lir at ripe.net>>
Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list

Dears,

Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.

Regards,
Omar Dallah

From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer
Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58
To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple

Hello all,

LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.

Matthijs

Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu
Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53
Aan: 'Markus' <universe at truemetal.org<mailto:universe at truemetal.org>>; members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu at thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu at thorpanel.com>>
Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple


Hi there,

I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.

Best regards,
Bogdan Orasanu
Senior Network Administrator
SC Expert Net SRL

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone


---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----

Hi Markus,

The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user
contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this
the resources are sold.
It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think
that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold.
And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a
/22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I
have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started
getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone
will do something like this.
We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a
new lir we cannot help in the matter.
We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address
space from Romania with the same issue.

Best regards,
Claudiu Foleanu



-----Original Message-----
From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>] On Behalf Of
Markus
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC
Members and Multiple

Hi Claudiu,

Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
> No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the
> system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have
> the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit.
[...]

can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away
from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to
give their resources up?

I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ip.ro&d=BQMGaQ&c=jcv3orpCsv7C4ly8-ubDob57ycZ4jvhoYZNDBA06fPk&r=n_y1RRbpD-VL68rW7gewvBKKk09uxxt_qmp9oWVUPzo&m=VGq-RmOflEfux_bjhzF5Q0woBOa6lISw4r3I3X75Szw&s=hzvtF3KGlPtI4Ws42glY73zDxpS_SlCPbeEYH7jaMss&e=>) from
your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It
seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from
<https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ripe.net_manage-2Dips-2Dand-2Dasns_resource-2Dtransfers-2Dand-2Dmergers_tra&d=BQMGaQ&c=jcv3orpCsv7C4ly8-ubDob57ycZ4jvhoYZNDBA06fPk&r=n_y1RRbpD-VL68rW7gewvBKKk09uxxt_qmp9oWVUPzo&m=VGq-RmOflEfux_bjhzF5Q0woBOa6lISw4r3I3X75Szw&s=Cm9o9lV-YOsndKZ_XcWNDkaqrxlG9S1jRek-UnBcHV0&e=>
nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>

Do they have something to do with what you described?

Cheers
Markus









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