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Hi again,

No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the
system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the
resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit.
If you are seeking profit this will not seem bad, but it`s not correct. 
As i said we should try to distribute resources to everyone in order to
improve communication not just to companies with big budgets.
Like i already said the /22 should be tight together with the life of the
lir then the problem should go away.
Just modify the policy to say that the /22 allocated from the last /8 is to
be returned to ripe if the lir is merged/sold/dissolved and it cannot be
sold.
I can assure you that no new lir`s will be opened in order the get
additional space and try to sell it.
Let`s make a simple calculation.
1 x /22 on the market is around 5000 usd.
Lir fee per year is 1400 + 2000 sign-up fee so we have a total of 3400.
After the first year of life this will be more then the price on the open
market.
If they cannot sell the /22, the profit will go away and only people really
needing the space will open new lir`s.
You should also take into consideration that the open market has allowed
spammers to obtain huge amounts of ipv4 addresses!

Best regards,
Claudiu Foleanu
TENNET TELECOM
ASOCIATIA INTERLAN


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From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of
Aleksey Bulgakov
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:50 PM
To: Thomas Mangin; members-discuss at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC
Members and Multiple

What is bad to sell IPs? You tell the same, if someone buy some gold or oil
and burn it to increase the price and make prifit, but the Members are still
receiving the IPs. What is the difference will they receive IPs from the
RIPE NCC directly or anyone will sell it?

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Best regards,
Aleksey Bulgakov
FastTelecom, CEO
Tel.: +7 926 6908729


17.02.2016, 16:38, "Thomas Mangin" <thomas.mangin at exa-networks.co.uk>:
> Hi,
>
> So .. replying to myself :wink:
>
> Proposed solution:
>
>>  You make a new lir to get a /22 ok, then you cannot sell the ip
>>  address
>>  space.
>>  If the lir is for whatever reason closed the ip address space should
>>  be
>>  requested back.
>>  Nobody will create a new lir for a /22 and pay the fees required if
>>  the
>>  address space given it`s tied to that lir, it will just be to
>>  expensive.
>
> I would love to live in a world where this solution works.
>
> When you forbid a product which has customer (buying IP space, drugs,
> other) all you are doing is moving the problem to an un-regulated 
> market where the buyer (the innocent network who NEEDS the IP space 
> and is down the wall) is going to be abused (US prohibition / war on
drugs).
>
> While I morally totally agree with the principle, I can not see how it 
> can be applied in a way which does not create more problems than it 
> fixes.
>
> Thomas
>
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