[members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple

The legality of what going on at the LIR/Address space in the RIPE NCC Market is "out-of-control". Our IT lawyer (Partner) @ BACH Law is currently investigating the legality of it, and whether or not RIPE NCC can be held responsible for this market, that is so obviously a black market of address space, being sold to highest bidder.

The address space is not intended to be a very lucrative market, but should be a market where LIR's can sell off IP space, to other LIRs at same prices that RIPE NCC "sells" for.

We are investigating whether or not it is, at all, legal to SELL IP's, since these are given on a FEE basis.
The way we see it, IP space should NEVER belong to the LIR - it belongs to us ALL, but administered by RIPE - thus it should be completely impossible to sell!

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Fra: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] På vegne af Thomas Mangin
Sendt: 17. februar 2016 14:38
Til: members-discuss at ripe.net
Emne: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple

Hi,

So .. replying to myself :wink:

Proposed solution:

> You make a new lir to get a /22 ok, then you cannot sell the ip 
> address space.
> If the lir is for whatever reason closed the ip address space should 
> be requested back.
> Nobody will create a new lir for a /22 and pay the fees required if 
> the address space given it`s tied to that lir, it will just be to 
> expensive.

I would love to live in a world where this solution works.

When you forbid a product which has customer (buying IP space, drugs,
other) all you are doing is moving the problem to an un-regulated market where the buyer (the innocent network who NEEDS the IP space and is down the wall) is going to be abused  (US prohibition / war on drugs).

While I morally totally agree with the principle, I can not see how it can be applied in a way which does not create more problems than it fixes.

Thomas

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