[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss

Thank you Markus, to bring that to our attention.

I would ask if this is already abusive behavior in the community terms, and can lead to legal consequences?
Since we all surely want to know how is the term “abusive behavior” defined.

Matthias

> On 17.02.2016, at 14:27, Markus <universe at truemetal.org> wrote:
> 
> Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:
>>>     1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a
>>>     problem
>>>     that must be prevented?
>> 
>> The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.
> 
> +1
> 
> I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:
> 
> # wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt
> # cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn
> 
>  36 uk.ngs
> ...
>  10 ae.hax
> 
> Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.
> 
> HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-)
> https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html
> 
> NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.
> 
> 221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!
> 
> Really, RIPE?
> 
> Cheers
> Markus
> 
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