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Dear Thomas,

My name is Claudiu Foleanu from TENNET TELECOM and Interlan Association (We
hosted RIPE71  in Romania).
I have tried now for a couple of days to post to this topic but for some
reason i cannot.
I have already mailed ripe-ncc to check this issue.
This topic is very important to us and we wish to contribute  to it.
Can you post this message for me?
I have no other solution for this message to reach the members.
Thanks so much.

Best regards,
Claudiu Foleanu

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Hi,

We in Romania trough Interlan Association are complaining about the issues
regarding ipv4 "market" (witch seems to be supported by the community) for
over 1 year now. We had a consultant from RIPE in Bucharest and we
detailed each and every issue regarding this problem.

Ipv4 / Ipv6 was not created for people to make money. It was created to
ensure communication between people. Don`t get me wrong, we are not
against the market, the unused resources should be redistributed somehow
(ripe-ncc,market).

But we should take care and ensure that new entities can have IPv4 ip
space. RIPE-NCC should request usability reports from every LIR at least
once every year. Unused resources should be redistributed.

Three times over the last couple of years we have lost ip space witch was
rented from other LIR`s. Or had to pay a huge amount of money to transfer
them. Three times now we had to renumber and remake the topology of the
network in order to support the loss.

Why are we not using more IPV6? Facebook is ipv6 akamai,google ok.. Nice.
But we have over 10.000 divices routers,switches,etc.. witch do not support
ipv6. And we are talking just about customer related devices. Their own
home routers,switches,ip phones etc...

We should convince China and the manufacturers to build software ipv6 ready!
We already tried and it`s not that easy. One manufacturer asked for
200.000 usd in order to redo the software ipv6 ready for some routers.

Ask VODAFONE why are they buying ipv4. The answer will be the same.
Customers do not have ipv6 ready devices, or they have to many of their
own devices ipv6 not ready.

You should ask the customers of the LIRS if it was ok to get their ipv4
allocated space taken away by a notification received by email.

Big companies should not be allowed to transfer ipv4 to their lir if they
do not have at least 30 - 50% implementation on ipv6.

We are putting the burden of the costs on the back of start-ups and
leaving the big companies to profit on this market.

I`m not quite sure what prompted this discussion but i`m glad it`s out!
You should look into address space witch left Romania. I can tell you that
over 50%  at least of that address space was in use. I now get 3 -5 emails
each day from small companies in Romania asking for address space. But we
have none to give. We have allocated everything in order to try to help!

Our solution:

You make a new lir to get a /22 ok, then you cannot sell the ip address
space.
If the lir is for whatever reason closed the ip address space should be
requested back.
Nobody will create a new lir for a /22 and pay the fees required if the
address space given it`s tied to that lir, it will just be to expensive.

Best regards,
Claudiu Foleanu
TENNET TELECOM
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