[members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple

Hi Guys:

I think we all agree to following:

 IF you really want to open multiple LIR account, you always can,and
in case your guys not notice, you do not even need to have company in
this region--RIPE accept membership worldwide as long as you promise
use 1 IP in the region, so you can go wild and going some island to
open 1000 company to get 1000 LIR, it is possible.

So the discussion bolt down to, should we make it hander for people to
open multiple LIRs to get IPs. It always come down to economic
incentives, as long as Address are cheaper at RIPE, economically
people will always find way to "buy" more address from RIPE.

But opening shell companies, getting more entities, isn't free, cost
may varies quite a lot depends how you do it, but let's say each shell
company cost 600USD a year, effectively by forbidding same company
open multiple LIR, we are simply increase cost of RIPE membership for
the people abuse the system by 600USD/year, or 0.6USD/IP/year.

That's all the discussion come down to really, I personally has no
objection to increase the cost for abusers, as the address was
intentionally reserved for transition purpose but not really for daily
business operation(in which this need nowadays you should go to market
and buy). It's like university provide cheap food for student, but
does not mean when you need food you should go to university to buy,
as the intention of cheap food supply there are for student who didn't
have job yet, while if you already graduated, there is a market for
your food supply. The very reason I object such decision in the last
GM was simply because I feel there is no way really prevent people
opening multiple LIRs, such action will only increase amount of shell
company in existence, but ok,since it does increase the cost for
abuser,why not, doesn't hurt anything anyway.






On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Radu-Adrian Feurdean
<ripe-ncc at radu-adrian.feurdean.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016, at 16:02, Max Tulyev wrote:
>> So quick way is to change policy and say every *COMPANY* should receive
>> one /22, not every *LIR*.
>
> No, that is the SLOW way. Policy change takes 3-4 months in a best-case
> scenario (everybody agrees - it is not the case here).
>
> And there is a difference between *HAVING* multiple LIR accounts for a
> company (i.e. after a purchase or merger) and *OPENING* a new LIR
> account for a company that does already have an account. the first case
> may be legitimate and is less subject to abuse. The second one is much
> more subject to abuse, as it has been seen during 2015.
>
> ... and then there is the "related LIR" issue (or non-issue), which is
> much more complex and difficult to solve properly.
>
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