[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts

On Fri Feb 12, 2016 at 12:50:54PM +0100, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
> On 12.02.2016 10.07, Tore Anderson wrote:
> >It would also be important that "entity" isn't understood to simply
> >mean "an entry in a country's organisation register", as that would
> >leave a gaping and trivially exploitable loophole.
> How should it be understood then?

It is going to be almost impossible to come up with a definition of "entities
under common control" which is enforcable by RIPE across all the countries 
within their region. Hence the best we can come up with is "One legal entity
[which I believe to be definable and enforceable], one LIR".

If I create "Company A", then want more IPs, so ask my friend to create 
"Company B", who registers as an LIR, then I agree with my friend to merge
Company B into Company A, then RIPE have no way to detect and/or enforce this.

We can't make everything perfect, but we can do the best we can to implement
the intent of the "Last /8" policy. If people want to circumvent it, there's
ways to do it - as above.

In response to other replies to this thread, we're not talking about changing
the last /8 policy to make it "fairer" to those who see it as "unfair" for 
them, as I believe what's there as policy is, if you take into account the
whole RIPE community, about as fair as you can be.

Trying to reclaim IP resources from LIRs is (almost) impossible. Globally, it
has been accepted that IPs are tradable. Either RIPE can be part of that
process (as it does through its trading platform), or it can choose not to. 
That won't stop the trades happening, but if RIPE is part of the process, then
it adds some transparency.

IPv4 has run out. There are ways to get more than you've currently got (i.e.
the open market), but if you're building your business plan on persuading RIPE
to give you more IPv4 addresses, either by 'bending' existing policy, or by
expecting the policy to change, then your business plan is broken.

Simon