[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016

Hi,

On 29/03/15 20:21, Gert Doering wrote:
> Hi,
[...]
> Don't believe or assume, just ask the people that bring something forward,
> instead of publically claiming some underlying reason that is not there.
>
> 2007-01 and the various followup discussions have never been about money
> (either way).
Ok, maybe I'm just thinking too far and/or assuming some things that are 
only in my head.
>> I also think we should forget about garbage collection in ASN16 because
>> it will never happen. If companies/LIRs ever decide to hand ASN16 back,
>> it's only because they want to, nobody will be able to 'force' them,
>> either by adding a fee to the ASN or by chasing them when the ASN is not
>> in use.
> Well, I know for sure that the at least one AS holder (me) returned his
> AS "from the early days of RIPE" because he couldn't be bothered to pay
> 50 EUR/year "just to have it" when it wasn't used any longer (of course
> I could have *afforded* it, but the nuisance factor was way too high).
>
> So it worked.
Well, as I said, I have been working with some customers on M&As or 
transfers where they have taken over networks/IP blocks and did not need 
the ASNs. Some of those ASNs have been returned.
So, it does work, and not only if a 50E/year fee is added to each ASN. 
Some still do the right thing while others will see the value in a 
finite number.
> Don't look at everything purely from the angle of "how can people make
> the most money out of numbers".
Nowadays, with the experience of IPv4, everyone will look at numbers at 
a method to making money, especially if these numbers finite and 
depleted. I doubt holders of ASNs will return them to the NCC if they 
could make a buck.
>
> Gert Doering
>          -- NetMaster
cheers,
Elvis

PS: the brokerage business has changed how I see things. two years ago I 
would have said: hey, it's not use, return it, do the right thing; now 
I'm saying: hey, there's money to be made.
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