[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016

Elvis,

the past history of charging/not charging for ASNs is unfortunate, but what
happened in the past cannot be changed.  What's important now is putting in
a stable long-term mechanism for the future.

Mandating the NCC to chase sponsoring LIRs about their customers' ASN usage
habits is massively inefficient from an organisational point of view and
from the point of view of a LIR, it sounds like yet more irritation and
hassle.  If you like irritation and hassle, fine.  Personally I could do
with less in my life.

We can all acknowledge that no garbage collection mechanism is going to be
100% efficient.  Charging a minimal fee is a pretty good balance between
end-goal efficiency and cost recovery.  It also creates the situation that
the decision to return unused ASNs is entirely up to the LIR /end-user and
that the NCC doesn't need to get involved in that decision making process.

Please bear in mind that the RIPE NCC is a registry, not a nanny.

Nick


On 25/03/2015 00:55, Elvis Daniel Velea wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> not sure if this message will get to the mailing list (a previous one
> did not because I was subscribed with an other -generic- e-mail address
> to the members-discuss mailing list).
> 
> A charge per ASN is, from my point of view, not a very effective garbage
> collection mechanism.
> 
> Additionally, changing the charging scheme again by adding a fee in
> 2016, after it was initially added in 2009 and removed in 2012 shows
> only an inconsistent Board with not a clear idea of the charging scheme.
> Once we (the members) have taken a decision, let's not change it
> (because some policy may in the future be otherwise abused) unless
> something has happened to request us to rethink the charging scheme.
> 
> I think we need to find a method by which the RIPE NCC and/or the LIR
> can do the garbage collection/cleanup.
> One simple method I can think of is by asking the RIPE NCC to contact
> the (Sponsoring) LIR when an ASN disappears from the global routing
> table and ask if that ASN can be deleted/returned/reclaimed/reused. This
> could easily be done in the LIR portal (automated process) or by e-mail
> (human - IPRA).
> I do not want to mandate the NCC to chase every ASN not visible in the
> routing table, I am suggesting to mandate the NCC to politely contact
> the (Sponsoring) LIR, maybe once a year, and ask them if any of their
> (or their customers') not in use ASNs could be returned to the free
> pool.
> 
> my 2 cents
> /elvis
> 
> Excuse the briefness of this mail, it was sent from a mobile device.
> 
>> On 25 Mar 2015, at 01:33, Fahad AlShirawi <fahad at gccix.net> wrote:
>>
>> :) we are both getting older maybe? Alright so... charging scheme stays, and we open an agenda point to consider how best to clean the garbage at the next meeting? 
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>   Original Message  
>> From: Sander Steffann
>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2015 03:25
>> To: Fahad AlShirawi
>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> Fair enough. My memory isn't what it used to be am getting old and working on a phone means I can't reference stuff easily :) 
>>>
>>> So what's the general feeling here?
>>
>> Well, after all the feedback I think we're trying to solve this problem the wrong way. There must be better ways than fiddling with the charging scheme. See my message to Sascha.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Sander
>>
>> P.S. Yes, I know, I seem to be changing my mind a bit, how did that happen? :)
>>
>>
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