[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016

Hi,

not sure if this message will get to the mailing list (a previous one did not because I was subscribed with an other -generic- e-mail address to the members-discuss mailing list).

 A charge per ASN is, from my point of view, not a very effective garbage collection mechanism.

Additionally, changing the charging scheme again by adding a fee in 2016, after it was initially added in 2009 and removed in 2012 shows only an inconsistent Board with not a clear idea of the charging scheme. Once we (the members) have taken a decision, let's not change it (because some policy may in the future be otherwise abused) unless something has happened to request us to rethink the charging scheme.

I think we need to find a method by which the RIPE NCC and/or the LIR can do the garbage collection/cleanup.
One simple method I can think of is by asking the RIPE NCC to contact the (Sponsoring) LIR when an ASN disappears from the global routing table and ask if that ASN can be deleted/returned/reclaimed/reused. This could easily be done in the LIR portal (automated process) or by e-mail (human - IPRA).
I do not want to mandate the NCC to chase every ASN not visible in the routing table, I am suggesting to mandate the NCC to politely contact the (Sponsoring) LIR, maybe once a year, and ask them if any of their (or their customers') not in use ASNs could be returned to the free pool.

my 2 cents
/elvis

Excuse the briefness of this mail, it was sent from a mobile device.

> On 25 Mar 2015, at 01:33, Fahad AlShirawi <fahad at gccix.net> wrote:
> 
> :) we are both getting older maybe? Alright so... charging scheme stays, and we open an agenda point to consider how best to clean the garbage at the next meeting? 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>   Original Message  
> From: Sander Steffann
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2015 03:25
> To: Fahad AlShirawi
> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Fair enough. My memory isn't what it used to be am getting old and working on a phone means I can't reference stuff easily :) 
>> 
>> So what's the general feeling here?
> 
> Well, after all the feedback I think we're trying to solve this problem the wrong way. There must be better ways than fiddling with the charging scheme. See my message to Sascha.
> 
> Cheers!
> Sander
> 
> P.S. Yes, I know, I seem to be changing my mind a bit, how did that happen? :)
> 
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