[members-discuss] Discussion on LIRs from Donetsk Area

Hey all,

While I agree RIPE NCC should not get involved in political debates, they
should, however, make sure all papers are legal in the nation they were
issued. As for disputed regions, I realize it is difficult and something
perhaps not possible for RIPE NCC to decide who is right in an interim
period, and just what a "nation" constitutes. We have to remember that
changes in geography usually happens as a result of some sort of war or
invasion, and is rarely something all involved parties agree on (except in
post-war situations in the form of treaties - and even then, it's a
compromise at best after having lost).

However, having said that, it is curious I had to send about 25 documents
back and forth while renaming a LIR and moving it to a different
geographical location. The requirements for legal papers issued in both
countries were a must then, and I had to submit information from various
government entities in both nations. So I do wonder a bit why this was so
easily pushed through. Was it perhaps pushed through simply BECAUSE the
RIPE NCC felt it was a political issue and not something they should touch
(so perhaps they didn't apply full scrutiny to documentation out of fear
for touching the untouchables?).

If I am entirely out of line or out of sync with procedures, I apologize.

Just an observation.

PS. To mailing list admin: please ignore my email in the queue sent from
team at robtex.com. My subscribed email is johan at robtex.com, so naturally that
bounced. DS.

- Johan Boger, AS48285.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Samorukov,Alexey <samm at net-art.cz> wrote:

>
> To clarify matters relating to the discussion on LIRs from the Donetsk
> area, I would like to remind you of the RIPE NCC Executive Board's
> resolution on continuity to service to all members. Please see the
> statement at:
>
>
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-board-resolution-on-continuity-of-services-to-all-ripe-ncc-members
>
> The RIPE NCC needs to confirm that an entity exists. Dutch law does not
> restrict the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds appropriate as proof
> that a legal entity exists. Documents issued by any national authority
> are considered to be sufficient proof.
>
>
> Thank you for reply, it would be great to have some clarifications, if
> possible.
>
> Does it mean that organization "Center of Internet services in DNR” is
> exists in Russia? I cant find any references to it in the registries. Also
> it is not clear what is “national authority” here. Admin-c and tech-c
> numbers are with Ukrainian prefix. Lugansk is Ukrainian city. DNR itself is
> a terroristic organization which is located in the Donetsk area (not
> Lugansk, btw). Could you please check and confirm that all documents were
> checked properly?
>
> Thank you.
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