[members-discuss] remove automated ticket system reply from member discussion list

With/For the money we pay RIPE should simply take that few minutes and do something. Unsubscribing works of course also but someone should probably inform them in some way why/that it happened.

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Am 13.06.2014 um 14:54 schrieb Fahad AlShirawi <fahad at gccix.net>:

> Calling is effort and time. I propose unsubscribing. But not black listing. People learn and can change. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>   Original Message  
> From: Lu Heng
> Sent: Friday, 13 June 2014 15:53
> To: Andrea Cocito
> Cc: Andrei; members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove automated ticket system reply from member discussion list
> 
> Hi
> 
> I believe that is a little bit too extreme in action...maybe Ripe NCC
> can spend few hours just to call few of them ask them to correct the
> problem...I mean end of the day it was only few of them and you can
> find out who they are by simply reply to this list:)
> 
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Andrea Cocito <andrea.cocito at ifom.eu> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think that RIPE should unsubscribe those folks from the list for several reasons:
>> 1. RFC 3834 explicitly says that vacation programs should not reply unless the "on vacation" address is explicitly in the To: or cc: headers. So each vacation program autoresponding to this list (or to the sender of messages) is wrong, and lame.
>> 2. Any automated reply (away messages, delivery errors, ticket confirmations) should go to the Return-Path address, as requested per RFC 2821; sending automated replies to and address stolen in the "From:" header or in the To:/cc: headers is wrong, and lame.
>> 3. Subscribing any kind of robot to this list means that you do not understand what this list is, and this is wrong, and lame.
>> 
>> RIPE folks: please, do unsubscribe from this list ANYTHING that sends automated replies, and blacklist them forever. Thanks.
>> 
>> A.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Dominik Nowacki <dominik at clouvider.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Couldn’t RIPE potentially filter those automated responses out basing on subject?
>>> 
>>> With Kind Regards,
>>> Dominik Nowacki
>>> 
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>>> From: Dominik Nowacki
>>> Sent: 13 June 2014 13:29
>>> To: 'Andrei'; members-discuss at ripe.net
>>> Subject: RE: [members-discuss] remove automated ticket system reply from member discussion list
>>> 
>>> +1. That’s one of the reasons why I’m reluctant to respond in RIPE mailing list…
>>> 
>>> With Kind Regards,
>>> Dominik Nowacki
>>> 
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>>> From: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Andrei
>>> Sent: 13 June 2014 13:27
>>> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
>>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove automated ticket system reply from member discussion list
>>> 
>>> I 100% support this proposal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Colleagues:
>>> 
>>> I understand some large cooperation might need ticket system to sort
>>> out their Emails, but it is really getting annoying every time you
>>> reply to the member mailing list you get 4-5 none-human responds.
>>> 
>>> Should we contact these organizations and ask them to put a real human
>>> Email for this list?
>>> 
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>>> Lu
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