[members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC

+1 And please do not reply to his RHETORICAL questions.

Thomas

On 22 Nov 2013, at 12:26, Simon Lockhart <s.lockhart at cablecomnetworking.co.uk> wrote:

> Really, this needs to move off-list. There is clearly a personal vendetta 
> here, and it's getting tiresome for the rest of us.
> 
> Even if IPs are reclaimed from an LIR as a result of an audit, what difference
> is it going to make?  It's not as if RIPE will start allocating from them
> again...
> 
> If you believe there's fraud being carried out, report it to the law
> enforcement agencies - nothing said on this list can fix it.
> 
> IPv4 is over. Move on. Focus on deploying IPv6.
> 
> Simon
> 
> On Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 11:49:06AM +0000, Alexandr Gurbo wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Yes, the right to speak - start audit for LIR(s). LIR who received blocks from RIPE NCC and allow announce in ARIN region from AS35916. Andrei, thanks for correcting.
>> 
>> Is this all allocated blocks in use? Why they announced in ARIN region?
>> Maybe Mr. Lu explain and we will not have more question.
>> 
>> We are live in the region served by RIPE NCC. This is our resources that given to other regions.
>> What allocations led to the exhaustion of resources in our region. As a result, we can't get more ip address. I think this isn't normal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:21:04 +0100
>> Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> RIPE NCC doesn't audit ASNs but LIRs =)
>>> 
>>> Looks like this is misunderstanding/misspelling from Alexandr's side.
>>> 
>>> AS35916 is assigned by ARIN and it is used by US based webhosting/colocation provider from Los Angeles.
>>> 
>>> If I understand correctly the initial issue is a usage of huge amount of IPv4 outside RIPE Region and It's a reason for audit.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22 Nov 2013, at 10:55, J??nis Jauno????ns <jj at streamnetworks.lv> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dude,
>>>> as-block:       AS35840 - AS36863
>>>> descr:          ARIN ASN block
>>>> 
>>>> why RIPE would have to audit ARIN block?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not saying that Lu is bad, but I don't like the idea that everybody
>>>> goes: hey, he has been on meetings, hands off.
>>>> when you see some psycho on TV who has been working in public and their
>>>> neighbors will tell you, - he was a good guy, but in the end, he ate
>>>> children :D
>>>> 
>>>> The fact that he has so much resources and visits meetings can be a good
>>>> and a bad thing, he knows the system inside out.
>>>> Might be that he likes IT, might be that he's abusing it.
>>>> I'm not going to bash my head against the keyboard to prove something,
>>>> RIPE got this. :)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 22/11/13 08:49, Alexandr Gurbo wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> When was last audit for AS35916?
>>>>> Such allocations are similar to fraud.
>>>>> 
>>>>> May be Mr. Lu open and active person, and active present at the meetings, but....
>>>>> 
>>>>> RIPE NCC stuff, to clarify incident please start audit for AS35916 and announce results to us.
>>>>> Don't provide to us private information about business client. Provide information on the allocated blocks. They are used for their intended purpose or not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:47:40 +0100
>>>>> Andrei <ipas.master at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think you're right. This LIR is a little bit strange and looks like it
>>>>>> was registered specially for illegal purposses or IPv4 cybersquatting but I
>>>>>> couldn't see any IPs usage for mailing by senderbase.org.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Unfortunately, this is 'normal' practice from RIPE NCC staff to reject
>>>>>> abuses. I have sent several abuses for Spamhaus SBL listed (DROP) ranges
>>>>>> with request for investigation but there was a single reply 'if this
>>>>>> assignment was made it means it 100% valid for RIPE NCC'.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For me, LIR audit is a single solution at this situaion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM, sergey myasoedov <kaa at net-art.cz> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear William,
>>>>>>> this is a good investigation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Have the RIPE NCC performed the 'audit' procedure of suspicious LIR?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>> sergey myasoedov
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You wrote Thursday, November 21, 2013, 3:05:40 PM:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one needs to
>>>>>>> reply to me i
>>>>>>>> make this public now as threatened to them before - See Dear Andrew, i
>>>>>>> don't care what
>>>>>>>> you say - if you don't reply me with anything useful then i take steps
>>>>>>> to get others involved.
>>>>>>>> This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was
>>>>>>> ignored.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up mails,
>>>>>>> no replies and
>>>>>>>> the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now the last reply i got was
>>>>>>> again useless and
>>>>>>>> without any interest (No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form
>>>>>>> to report LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i sent
>>>>>>> my mail to RIPE
>>>>>>>> after some investigations (which merely took 10 minutes time and a few
>>>>>>> calls to some
>>>>>>>> associates) - Now, isn't that proof enough for an evaluation?
>>>>>>>> I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make your own
>>>>>>> picture.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a sole-trader in
>>>>>>> the Netherlands
>>>>>>>> which managed to have RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling
>>>>>>> to a /8:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" -
>>>>>>> http://outsideheaven.com
>>>>>>>> Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and does (as
>>>>>>> far as informations go) not live in Europe at all.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on OVHs
>>>>>>> AS now most
>>>>>>>> space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based ISP Multacom (AS35916).
>>>>>>>> A short view on the website shows that no real services are provided yet
>>>>>>> massive
>>>>>>>> amounts of IPs are registered to him personally, him as sole trader or
>>>>>>> his companies at all RIRs:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs
>>>>>>>> This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles ("Abacus
>>>>>>> (Seychelles)
>>>>>>>> Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows the connection to
>>>>>>> OutsideHeaven.
>>>>>>>> The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the descr of
>>>>>>> "CloudInnovation
>>>>>>>> infrastructure" and various countries set (AD, SD, YT???.), most IPs are
>>>>>>> not announced at all and seem unused.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs
>>>>>>>> A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside of the
>>>>>>> RIPE region.
>>>>>>>> Seems unused.
>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs
>>>>>>>> RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was
>>>>>>> allocated, exactly the
>>>>>>>> timeframe RIPE required a space to be used in to get a new one???),
>>>>>>> announced on OVH.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs
>>>>>>>> Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?) announced
>>>>>>> by OVH on France, unused as well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs
>>>>>>>> Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands, unused.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs
>>>>>>>> 2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom.
>>>>>>>> List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him):
>>>>>>>> 154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs
>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs    - 2012.09
>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15  - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09
>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16  - RIPE - 65.534 IPs  - 2012.07
>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04
>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs  - 2011.04
>>>>>>>> 46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs  - 2010.11
>>>>>>>> 178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> William Weber | RIPE Person: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh (among others)
>>>>>>>> william at edisglobal.com | william at william.si | http://edis.at |
>>>>>>> http://as57169.net
>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC
>>>>>>>> Maribor, Slovenia
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
>>>>>>>>> Von: William Weber <william at edis.at>
>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR
>>>>>>>>> Datum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ
>>>>>>>>> An: Andrew de la Haye <andrew at ripe.net>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrew,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys
>>>>>>> buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this
>>>>>>> mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12)  and this isn't
>>>>>>> unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the
>>>>>>> same...
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is not really any better now:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from
>>>>>>> you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013
>>>>>>> in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of
>>>>>>> the largest total
>>>>>>>>> allocations in the entire RIPE region?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles
>>>>>>> while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN?
>>>>>>>>> Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never
>>>>>>> contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc?
>>>>>>>>> How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream
>>>>>>> provider?
>>>>>>>>> This all is still very fishy and not really impressive...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> William Weber
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>> Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye <andrew at ripe.net>:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Dear William,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been
>>>>>>> escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration
>>>>>>> Services Department.
>>>>>>>>>> Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we
>>>>>>> implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair,
>>>>>>> neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out.
>>>>>>>>>> This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at
>>>>>>> meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our
>>>>>>> website. You can find the complete description at:
>>>>>>> https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf
>>>>>>>>>> Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a
>>>>>>> first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due
>>>>>>> diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts.
>>>>>>> Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously
>>>>>>> evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy
>>>>>>> compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by
>>>>>>> two RIPE NCC Senior Managers.
>>>>>>>>>> The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely
>>>>>>> and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified.
>>>>>>>>>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew de la Haye
>>>>>>>>>> Chief Operations Officer
>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Singel 258
>>>>>>>>>> 1016 AB  Amsterdam
>>>>>>>>>> the Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>> andrew at ripe.net
>>>>>>>>>> tel:  +31 20 535 4444
>>>>>>>>>> fax: +31 20 535 4445
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster <hostmaster at ripe.net
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> Dear William,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior
>>>>>>>>> Management.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> They will come back to you ASAP.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Andrea,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all?
>>>>>>>>>> Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase
>>>>>>> of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world
>>>>>>> dictators state all the time about bribery...
>>>>>>>>>> Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members
>>>>>>> add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove
>>>>>>> lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) -
>>>>>>> Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the
>>>>>>> accuser with access to a system to verify it himself.
>>>>>>>>>> It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest
>>>>>>> allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to
>>>>>>> an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough
>>>>>>> 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you
>>>>>>> think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE
>>>>>>> mailing list to ALL members.
>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> William Weber
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH
>>>>>>>>>> NOC
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster <
>>>>>>> hostmaster at ripe.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear William,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that
>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by
>>>>>>>>>>> members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the
>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then
>>>>>>>>>>> start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same
>>>>>>>>>>> counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a
>>>>>>>>>>> bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take
>>>>>>>>>>> lightly.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which
>>>>>>>>>>> the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14
>>>>>>>>>>> September 2012. Please find the official announcement at:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrea Cima
>>>>>>>>>>> Registration Services Manager
>>>>>>>>>>> RIPE NCC
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at.<removed>, li.<removed>,
>>>>>>> li.<removed>, plus representing <removed> and <removed>)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone....
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> LIR is nl.outsideheaven
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used
>>>>>>> false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the
>>>>>>> most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified
>>>>>>> with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the
>>>>>>> usage of this amounts of IPv4 space.
>>>>>>>>>>>> His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for
>>>>>>> example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from
>>>>>>> AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very
>>>>>>> questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs    - 2012.09
>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.224.0.0/15  - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09
>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the
>>>>>>> last /8?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.132.0.0/16  - RIPE - 65.534 IPs  - 2012.07
>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the
>>>>>>> last /8?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04
>>>>>>>>>>>> -> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the
>>>>>>> last /8?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs  - 2011.04
>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> William Weber
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> EDIS GmbH
>>>>>>>>>>>> NOC
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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