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Sven Olaf Kamphuis
sven at cb3rob.net
Mon Mar 11 17:46:53 CET 2013
not entirely sure what a 'ripe database proxy service' would be... but it sounds like one of those 'too much fucking info' things that once were in fashion when the internet was a bunch of dusty nerds... and the only threat was a bunch of scriptkiddies in poland. and now, its a hostile environment and any 'database' should be closed access only. as seriously, if people wanna harras your clients, or even worse (and wrongly: you) at least they should take the time and effort to get proper court orders... not just do a 'whois' on some database which should not even exist anymore due to the fact that its not compliant with ANY applicable privacy laws. -- MINISTRY OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS ================================================== Government House, One CyberBunker Avenue, RCB-31337, Republic CyberBunker. On Mon, 11 Mar 2013, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 11/03/2013 14:27, Alex Le Heux wrote: >> Are we seriously having a multi-month discussion involving numerous >> emails from the CEO of the RIPE NCC about a service that has *four* >> active users? > > If this were a commercial organisation and if it were my choice, I would > pull the plug tomorrow. Actually, I would have pulled it years ago because > I have a strong dislike for underused fossils, particularly those which > actively cost time and resources to maintain. But it's not a commercial > organisation - it's a monopoly whose purpose is to serve a bunch of people > what they want to be served on the basis of general bottom-up consensus, > and the rules are different. > > Unfortunately, it seems there was a top-down cockup which spilled into > nanog-l and caused a small amount of froth to fly. When this happens, it's > sensible to put your hand up and confess that yes, there was a cockup and > there were no bad intentions and that as a matter of good will to the > community, whatever was done would be undone. Otherwise, it will be > remembered years later that the RIPE NCC did all of this mean, bad and > horrible stuff to the community once upon a time and they're a monopolistic > power hungry bunch, not answerable to the community and yadda-yadda-yadda. > Fortunately, this reaction is as avoidable as it is predictable. > > The RIPE NCC have done the right thing by going back to their membership > and asking them for consensus on a policy. I put forward a particular > opinion on the basis that it's probably best right now to go back to the > original configuration (i.e. contract/free in this case) and leave things > settle down for a while so that people realise that the RIPE NCC is not the > enemy. > > Some time down the road, I'd probably be quite supportive of the idea of > asking the RIPE NCC to approach the 4 existing users of the service and ask > them if there was any other way that their requirements could be > facilitated which involved lower overhead/cost. I.e. engagement with user > community, followed by general consensus, followed by action which has > broad support from constituency. > > Otherwise I agree that this is a storm in a teacup which merits only a tiny > fraction of the amount of attention it's getting. > > How are you enjoying consensus from the other side, then? :-D > > Nick > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >
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