[members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC

IPv4 market should be illegal.
How someone can  sell IPv4 address space, if RIPE is allocating address 
space based on their needs???
If they sell addresses, RIPE allocated to them more than they need.


On 12/16/2013 10:58 AM, Oliver Bryssau wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I think that post hits the nail on the head perfectly.
>
> I guess if so many of us feel this way we should investigate the Ripe 
> framework to see if there is something that can be done to create 
> positive change.
>
> This would be a great short/medium term solution however we all must 
> look to support ipv6 natively.
>
> Merry Christmas,
> Oliver
>
> On 16 Dec 2013 09:39, "RIPE" <ripe at centronet.cz 
> <mailto:ripe at centronet.cz>> wrote:
>
>     Hello,
>
>     everyone who says "IPv4 is gone" is living in his/her dreams,
>     denying reality and IPv4 market (and those mentioned average 2
>     letters/IPv4 requests per day). It may be true for some, but it
>     obviously isn't for others, no matter reasons. While I understand
>     IPv6 propagation, I don't think that punishing/discriminating
>     small IPv4 holders in need for a few more IPs is right. Actually,
>     releasing those big unused IPv4 blocks might have much better
>     impact for IPv6 development, while the small ones would appreciate
>     "a few more C" and it may even be enought for a few more
>     months/years this way.
>
>     While I must admit I'm not sure how to do this, some fee for IP
>     addresses sounds like natural way. So I must agree, if you are
>     happy IPv6 user who had no problems to move from IPv4 (or started
>     at IPv6 directly) and  doesn't need IPv4 addresses anymore, just
>     return them all and you can stop to care about it and less lucky
>     us. You may even have it cheaper. Saying that you don't need IPv4
>     because you have IPv6 already sounds like "I don't have this
>     problem so I don't want/need it to be solved and  I don't care
>     about others" to me. Or in worse case, it may even be "I like
>     current state because I own those big blocks and I have profit
>     from it". Nothing personal here, I wasn't screening anyone and  I
>     don't accuse anyone. Just annoyed from all those "IPv6 solves
>     everything" announcers who are, at same time, so much against
>     returning of any unused IPv4 space. Thanks for your understanding.
>
>
>     Merry Christmas to everyone
>
>     Matej Vavrousek
>     CentroNet, a.s.
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
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>     <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Andrea Cocito
>     Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:42 PM
>     To: Gert Doering
>     Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
>     Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC
>
>
>     On Dec 12, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Gert Doering <gert at space.net
>     <mailto:gert at space.net>> wrote:
>     > IPv4 is *gone*, get over it.  No matter of discussion here or
>     elsewhere
>     > will bring back IPv4 in quantities needed to "last forever", so
>     all you
>     > are doing is postponing the inevitable, and burning lots of
>     effort and
>     > money in the denial phase.
>
>     Right, then if the fee scheme is changed in that way there will be
>     no problem for LIRs who have millions of IPv4 addresses allocated
>     to release them and save money :)
>
>     A.
>
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