[members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC

On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Francis GASCHET <fg at numlog.fr> wrote:
> As a small LIR I can only subscribe to such proposal.
> Le 21/11/2013 17:59, "Mag. Matthias Šubik" a écrit :
>> Dear community:
>> ..... Or make RIPE fees based on IP Pools hold. Then there is immediate calculation going on, how much space needs to be hold for 1/3/5/10 years. 50 cents per IP per year from 2015 on, would move large pools back to RIPE NCC, as this would reduce most LIRs to the technical minimum space needed.


Hi,

this was discussed a bit in the past but did not get through at the end.

This is the current status and we really need to do something about it:
- IPv4 space is formally exhausted
- A lot of it is actually allocated (and sometimes assigned) but si NOT really in use
- Some LIRs requested and had allocated in the past huge amounts of IP space
- I receive on average two emails per day from people asking me if we want to SELL IP addresses
- We see flames on the list about LIRs that are suspected to have too many IPs for some reason

I think that all this is nonsense.

Really, the RIPE membership fees should be based mostly on "the share of limited resources that your LIR uses", if a LIR has a /8 allocated that is 1/23th of the whole address space available from RIPE; thus should pay alone 1/23th of the budget of RIPE (the model might of course keep in count also other resources like IPv6 and ASNs, but allocating "a significant share of the available IPv6 address space" seems a quite unlikely thing to happen). 

Doing this would magically free a huge amount of address space, end this shameful "IP address market" and push toward both efficient resource usage and a faster transition to IPv6.

I know that there were objections to this idea, which were basically:
- Big ISPs would pay a lot: fair enough, they have a big budget.
- RIPE can not "sell" IP addresses: not true, RIPE already does have fees changing on the amount of allocated resources, the principle does not change (change the classes from small-medium-large to /4 /5 /6 /7 /8 … /24, and give each class a fee, formally it is not a change in the model)
- RIPE would be considered a commercial entity and pay taxes: 1) not true, see previous point; 2) Should even this happen we can live with that

JMHO,

Regards,

A.


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