[members-discuss] [Ticket#2012061901001911] Need help. Can't remove routes for ex Assigned PA.

Mike,

First of all, if we don't all follow the policies, and educate people about them as Sascha also stated, what reason does it serve to have the policies in the first place? 

So shouldn't the time should really be spent on trying to argue for a policy change in favor of allowing this - instead of trying to fish out arguments to justify not following them in the first place? I mean if there's a broad consensus behind this shouldn't it be done this way? Because I'm having a very hard time otherwise as not reading it along the lines of openly saying "I don't agree with you guys - so I'll just do it the way I so please". 

In either case this debate seems much more relevant to be had out in the open using the right working group mailing list.

--
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards,

Ian Johannesen
BeeVPN ApS

On Jun 19, 2012, at 4:55 PM, Mike Hollowell wrote:

> Hi Ian;
> 
> Yes, we live in a grey world. What's worse, getting a pile of spam/using
> computer resources to clean it up or using resources to route a few more
> prefixes/mitigate it? I suppose it depends on your viewpoint.
> 
> It's only going to get worse, but it's always been the same; put more
> memory in your router or filter routes.
> 
> Oh, and sorry for the big sig earlier ;)
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 16:32 +0200, Ian Johannesen wrote:
>> Mike,
>> 
>> If it's not supposed to be done like that - it isn't justified using that argument. That would be like saying "It's not allowed to steal, but since so many do it anyway - it'll just be a drop in the ocean if I do it too" :)
>> 
>> --
>> Med venlig hilsen / Best regards,
>> 
>> Ian Johannesen
>> BeeVPN ApS
>> 
>> mai: ij at beevpn.com
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hollowell wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree but two points, I was suggesting a method to mitigate the spam
>>> and there are 216411 /24 in the table, only 71 /25, two more temporary
>>> prefixes are insignificant. 
>>> 
>>> When networks like Blackberry announce their blocks in /24 (Haven't
>>> checked recently), what can you do?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:06 +0200, Sascha Lenz wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> You could announce the /24 and 2 * /25 yourself and blackhole to reduce
>>>>> the impact, not everyone filters on /24.
>>>> 
>>>> please don't pollute the DFZ.
>>>> 
>>>> Contacting the (other) upstreams and tell them the route is bogus is the only intelligent option.
>>>> If the inetnum object is removed, they can see the announcement is not valid in the first place.
>>>> 
>>>> Everything else has been said already, just don't use PA like that.
>>>> I'm not sure what would be the proper way to get the route object removed in this case either.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Sascha Lenz [SLZ-RIPE]
>>>> Senior System- & Network Architect
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Mike Hollowell
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