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[members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region
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Mark Jones (MK)
mark.jones at talktalkplc.com
Fri Jul 27 14:18:43 CEST 2012
As mentioned before, some vendors still want paying in the order of $£1M for a licence in order to enable the use of IPV6 on their systems/software which can delay the uptake of IPV6. So it's not just a matter of hardware upgrades. M. -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sven Olaf Kamphuis Sent: 27 July 2012 12:11 To: LeaderTelecom Ltd. Cc: Erik Bais; members-discuss at ripe.net; Nigel Titley Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region you go to your CFO -now- and tell them you need new equipment -now- ?!?!?!?! HELLO IPv6 support has been around since the late 1990s. if you didn't get new equipment since then , how are you still in business and not being totally rooted every other day? basically you're saying all your stuff is 16 years old. On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote: > Dear Erik, > > > I spoke with someone from Surfnet a while ago (they also have a /8 > > and a > whole block of 16 bit ASN >> pre-RIPE) and on they question if they would return space to RIPE, >> their > answer was : > > <quote>Why prolong the inevitable, we have been doing v6 for 15 > years already. Everyone should do >> the same ...</end quote> >> That reasoning is very true and I do agree with it. > > Yes, from technical point of view it is excelent answer and probably > ideal way for internet. But when you goes to CFO and tell that you > need new equipment - he will ask reason why you need additional > investments? All works well. You can tell stories about IPv4 and > IPv6... But from finance point of view it doesn't make any sense. Run > IPv6 and what next? It will give you new customers? Or current > cusomers will pay mode money? NOOOO! It is just extra expenses. It > time when each company try to cut costs impossible to invest money in > word "IPv6". But! If cost IPv4 will grow - then it will be very simple for companies to understund that chaeper will be migrate to IPv6. > > > That is also why a charging scheme based on v4 is short lived and > out-dated by the time it comes >> into action. The first RIPE invoice based on it, will be when the >> resource > pool is already in the final /8. >> And that pool won't magically grow back above it ... > > A charging scheme based on budget / nr of members is my prediction > where things should go for the >> above mentioned reasons, why based it on a resource or charge for a >> resource > that is gone ... To have >> this discussion again in one or two years ? Please spare me ... > > But RIPE must support servers, software and etc which support IPv4. > And all this expenses must pay LIRs? When IPv4 will finished and new > LIRs will get only IPv6 - why they must pay a huge money for support > IPv4 when they will provide only IPv6? > > -- > Alexey Ivanov > LeaderTelecom Ltd. > ############################################################################## This communication together with any attachments transmitted with it ("this E-Mail") is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information which is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this E-Mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this E-Mail is strictly prohibited. Addressees should check this E-mail for viruses. The Company makes no representations as regards the absence of viruses in this E-Mail. If you have received this E-Mail in error please notify our IT Service Desk immediately by e-mail at abuse.ttb at talktalkplc.com Please then immediately delete, erase or otherwise destroy this E-Mail and any copies of it. Any opinions expressed in this E-Mail are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company. Nothing in this E-Mail shall bind the Company in any contract or obligation. For the purposes of this E-Mail "the Company" means TalkTalk Telecom Group PLC and/or any of its subsidiaries. Please feel free to visit our website: www.talktalkgroup.com TalkTalk Telecom Group Plc (Registered in England & Wales No. 7105891) 11 Evesham Street, London W11 4AR ##############################################################################
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