[members-discuss] Charging scheme discussion

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, Sascha Luck wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 07:18:23PM +0100, Thomas Mangin wrote:
>> Thinking aloud, should RIPE propose several options every year instead
>> of one. This would surely reduce the debate as everyone would have a
>> chance to vote for their preferred pricing model.  ( It may be a can of
>> worm, It may not be possible - I am not familiar with RIPE's governance
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> The original 2012 proposal wasn't so bad actually, it just had a few
> ugly warts which is why I and a lot of others rejected it.
>
> So as not to be accused of just moaning and no solutions, how is this
> for a proposal?
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> -Categories as before, possibly based on the Nov 2011 proposal.
> -sane category boundaries so that end-users and new LIRs will usually
> fall into the smallest category.
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> -*No* double charging of Independent Resources. Either set a charge per
> or use them for category calgulation, not both. Personally, I fall on
> the side of a charge per resource as using PI/ASN for category
> calculation is impossible to do fairly.
>
> -No "aging" of resources for category calculation. I've never understood
> what makes a prefix allocated in 1999 different from one allocated in
> 2009 anyway. For IPv6 that would be farcical anyway.

this benefits early adopters, no doubt. maybe most of people driving 
policies are early adopters -- it wouldn't be a surprise for me.
but between 1999 and 2009 there is a difference of 10 years' fees. maybe 
this is a "bonus discount" for having paid previous fees and keep using 
the space? maybe someone on the list could explain what was the original 
rationale/argument for this...


> -The "setup fee" has to go or be drastically reduced. Nobody can tell
> me it is EUR 2k worth of work to set up a new customer. If it actually

*member*... ;-)


> *is*, now is a good time to change that ineffective practice.
> Drop the free meeting tickets, if that makes a difference. Nobody uses
> them. Of the 10 tickets that the 5 LIRs that I do work for were entitled
> to, not one was used.

i would personally agree with that, but i guess the NCC should have more 
precise numbers about it.


> -I'd argue that this should only include (and fund!) registry, training,
> K-root and rDNS service. Members who want RPKI, USB sticks or any other
> service can fund those via separate service fees.

agree.


Regards,
Carlos


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> Sascha Luck
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>> Thomas Mangin Exa Networks
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