[members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region

Dear Alexey,

WIND uses by far *more* than 5mil IPs - They are the second largest access provider in Italy, in fact they are so short already that they run NAT now...

Case 3.:
Yes, unused BUT legacy - I think you did not understand that the RIPE (and no other RIR) has *ANY* authority over this networks - Neither RIPE, nor ARIN, not even ICANN, can force these to return their space.

Case 5,6,7,8.:
There are maybe some routes inside this network, who knows - it could may be returned.

Case 9/10.: 
These are used.

This spaces are mainly very, very, very old (new registrations JUST after RIPE was established) - PI was completely different handled back then (nearly anyone used PI instead of PA)...

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Am 27.07.2012 um 10:12 schrieb LeaderTelecom Ltd.:

> Dear William,
> 
> > I think you confuse a lot of things here and your information is flawed, 
> > these are *not* RIPE objects, these are ARIN spaces which just happen to 
> > have a route and inetnum object in the RIPE DB (see ARIN DB, which is 
> > authoritive for HP and Daimler networks)... 
> O! Yes, thank you. This 2 in ARIN DB for now.
> 
> > WIND Legacy (151.3.0.0/16 and .4-.95.0.0/16 on AS1267 ASN-INFOSTRADA)
> They have routes, but not pay for this resource to RIPE. May be all this IPs in use. But I very sceptical that they use all 5 miliones IPs. Anyway they don't pay for this resources. And it is Legacy right now.
> 
> > Case 3. Inetnum: 51.0.0.0/8 (16 777 216 IPs ). EARLY-REGISTRATION. 
> > UK Government Department for Work and Pensions.
> >   a) For free (legacy).
> >   b) This network doesn't have any routes. 
> 
> What about this /8 network? It is legacy and doesn't have any routes.
> 
> > Case 5. Inetnum: 163.62.0.0 - 163.116.255.255 ( 3 604 480 IPs ). 
> > ASSIGNED PI. Electricite de France.
> >   a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this
> > resource only 50 EUR.
> >   b) This network doesn't have any routes. 
> 
> The same.
> 
> Do you need another examples?
> 
> Case 6. Inetnum: 171.28.0.0 - 171.30.255.255 ( 196 608 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Global Crossing.
>    a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.
>    b) This network has routes for part of space ( 171.30.0.0/16).
> 
> Case 7. Inetnum: 193.244.0.0  - 193.245.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. KBC Group NV
>    a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.
>    b) This network doesn't have any routes. 
> 
> Case 8. Inetnum: 148.252.0.0 - 148.253.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA)
>    a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.
>    b) This network doesn't have any routes. 
> 
> Case 9. Inetnum: 161.89.0.0 - 161.90.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Atos Origin.
>    a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.
>    b) This network has routes.
> 
> Case 10. Inetnum: 157.28.0.0 - 157.29.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. BT Italia S.p.A. (formerly Albacom S.p.A)
>    a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR.
>    b) This network has routes.
> 
> I suggest to stop charge 50 EUR for each PI resource. We have a lot of examples when company can use more than 100 000 IPs and pay 50 EUR to RIPE. And we have a lot of LIRs which pay 2000 EUR Sign-up Fee and 1300-1800 EUR every year and use 512-1024 IP. The contribution from membership and value are too different.
> 
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> Alexey Ivanov
> LeaderTelecom Ltd.
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