[members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region
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William Weber
ripe-members-discussion at edisglobal.com
Fri Jul 27 10:24:07 CEST 2012
Dear Alexey, WIND uses by far *more* than 5mil IPs - They are the second largest access provider in Italy, in fact they are so short already that they run NAT now... Case 3.: Yes, unused BUT legacy - I think you did not understand that the RIPE (and no other RIR) has *ANY* authority over this networks - Neither RIPE, nor ARIN, not even ICANN, can force these to return their space. Case 5,6,7,8.: There are maybe some routes inside this network, who knows - it could may be returned. Case 9/10.: These are used. This spaces are mainly very, very, very old (new registrations JUST after RIPE was established) - PI was completely different handled back then (nearly anyone used PI instead of PA)... -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william at edisglobal.com | william at edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 27.07.2012 um 10:12 schrieb LeaderTelecom Ltd.: > Dear William, > > > I think you confuse a lot of things here and your information is flawed, > > these are *not* RIPE objects, these are ARIN spaces which just happen to > > have a route and inetnum object in the RIPE DB (see ARIN DB, which is > > authoritive for HP and Daimler networks)... > O! Yes, thank you. This 2 in ARIN DB for now. > > > WIND Legacy (151.3.0.0/16 and .4-.95.0.0/16 on AS1267 ASN-INFOSTRADA) > They have routes, but not pay for this resource to RIPE. May be all this IPs in use. But I very sceptical that they use all 5 miliones IPs. Anyway they don't pay for this resources. And it is Legacy right now. > > > Case 3. Inetnum: 51.0.0.0/8 (16 777 216 IPs ). EARLY-REGISTRATION. > > UK Government Department for Work and Pensions. > > a) For free (legacy). > > b) This network doesn't have any routes. > > What about this /8 network? It is legacy and doesn't have any routes. > > > Case 5. Inetnum: 163.62.0.0 - 163.116.255.255 ( 3 604 480 IPs ). > > ASSIGNED PI. Electricite de France. > > a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this > > resource only 50 EUR. > > b) This network doesn't have any routes. > > The same. > > Do you need another examples? > > Case 6. Inetnum: 171.28.0.0 - 171.30.255.255 ( 196 608 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Global Crossing. > a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR. > b) This network has routes for part of space ( 171.30.0.0/16). > > Case 7. Inetnum: 193.244.0.0 - 193.245.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. KBC Group NV > a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR. > b) This network doesn't have any routes. > > Case 8. Inetnum: 148.252.0.0 - 148.253.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) > a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR. > b) This network doesn't have any routes. > > Case 9. Inetnum: 161.89.0.0 - 161.90.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Atos Origin. > a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR. > b) This network has routes. > > Case 10. Inetnum: 157.28.0.0 - 157.29.255.255 ( 131 072 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. BT Italia S.p.A. (formerly Albacom S.p.A) > a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR. > b) This network has routes. > > I suggest to stop charge 50 EUR for each PI resource. We have a lot of examples when company can use more than 100 000 IPs and pay 50 EUR to RIPE. And we have a lot of LIRs which pay 2000 EUR Sign-up Fee and 1300-1800 EUR every year and use 512-1024 IP. The contribution from membership and value are too different. > > -- > Alexey Ivanov > LeaderTelecom Ltd. > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20120727/0ed49a76/attachment.html>
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