[members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees

Well, it seems to start again, the discussion on the fees.
We have not heard too much from Nigels taskforce team that is supposed to 
propose some new ideas, therefore i decided to write one.

I personally wonder when we will be charged based on using IPv6.

Most LIRs use a /32 and some use multiple /32, since we all agree that 
IPv4 is running out, should we start to look into the future and not into the 
past? (how do we charge new lirs when v4 has run out)...

If you want to change the charging scheme, the time to include ipv6 is 
probably now.

To save you all from difficult schemes, if you have a lot of IPv4 or if 
you have a little because you started later,
all together a /32 v6 and a random amount of IPv4 will not have a huge 
percentage difference in IP:s compared to your /32.
After all most who want to change the charging scheme are after 
charging by ip, per ip, or in percentage...

So my basic idea is to develope a charging scheme that is based on IPv6, 
and not on IPv4. After all a currently "small" or "extra small"
LIR gets a /32 as well, so the total amount of IP:s in the end doesn't 
differ that much in percentage.

So a basic fee for the basic v6 space (a /32)(always, the same for 
everyone), a little variable addition for the old IPv4 space , and a a 
little addition for every(?) multiple /32.

Cheers,

Ray




On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, KOSMOZZ - Info wrote:

> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:26:05 +0000
> From: KOSMOZZ - Info <info at kosmozz.be>
> To: Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com>,
>     "members-discuss at ripe.net" <members-discuss at ripe.net>
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees
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> Hi Lu,
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> I was thinking the same.  Why shouldn?t we all be billed for the amount we are using and may?be pay a fee for the
> amount that has been reserved and not used?
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> I?ll take this with me to the Taskforce currently brainstorming on Billing matters.
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> Kind regards,
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> 
> Filip Herman
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> filip at kosmozz.be 
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> KOSMOZZ -- http://www.kosmozz.be 
> | Member of Internet Service Providers Belgium (http://www.ispa.be)
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> Van: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] Namens Lu Heng
> Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 18:44
> Aan: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Onderwerp: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees
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> Hi Colleagues:
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> Just had a whim about next year's membership fees, since Ripe will almost certain running out this year, why shouldn't
> we divided the membership fees as the percentage of the total recourse we have?(mostly IPv4)
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> The total amount of Ripe's IPv4 is known, and by end of this year, the total amount of each LIR's IPv4 is known as
> well.
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> So why should we just simpy do a math as LIR total amount address(L)/Ripe's total amount of address(R)*100%*Ripe's
> total need(TN)=Lir's yearly contribution(C)
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> So make the format simple:
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> C=(L/R*100%)*TN
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> Then I think it is "real fair". And as calculate the member fee based on the share of member in the organization's
> recourse's, it doesn't imply as "selling IP" rumor which has been the main reason we have categories rather than real
> fair solutions.
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> How you think, my colleagues, and this is just my 2 cents thought.
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> Kind regards.
> Lu
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